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Re: Filer's Files #48 - 2001 - Ledger

From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:31:38 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:59:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Filer's Files #48 - 2001 - Ledger


 >From: James Oberg <joberg@houston.rr.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: Filer's Files #48 - 2001
 >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:13:51 -0600

 >>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:35:21 -0500
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>From: George A. Filer <WeeklyFiles@filersfiles.com>
 >>Subject: Filer's Files #48 - 2001

 >>FILER'S FILES #48 MUFON Skywatch Investigations
 >>George A. Filer, Director, Mutual UFO Network Eastern
 >>November 28, 2001, Majorstar@AOL.COM.
 >>Webmaster Chuck Warren http://www.filersfiles.com,

 >JimO reports this item which might have gotten lost in the
 >recent s---storm (that's s--- for sNOW) and modestly brings it
 >to Filer's attention so he can respond with equal
 >graciousness...

 >And again, the likelihood is certainly there that it has already
 >been corrected and that i in my inadequate scholarship just
 >haven't been able to find it.

 >-----

 >Source: Rense.com

 >http://www.rense.com/ufo3/vivid.htm

 >From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com>
 >Mutual UFO Network Eastern Director
 >MUFON Skywatch Investigations
 >Filer's Files #16
 >4-24-99

 >Another great example is the X-15 'sighting' by Bob White which
 >fraudulently omits explanatory details from the cited source
 >(Time magazine),

 >The cited article is TIME magazine, July 27, 1962, pp. 12-13,
 >entitled 'SPACE: Inside the Sky'. It is a portrait of Major
 >Robert White.

 >The final paragraph reads: 'New Mystery: After the sky-stabbing
 >record flight last week, four X-15 pilots -- White, Walker,
 >North American's Scott Crossfield, and Navy Commander Forrest
 >Petersen -- journeyed to Washington, where President Kennedy
 >gave them the Robert J. Collier Trophy, presented annually since
 >1911 for outstanding achievements in flight.

 >But for White and his fellow X-15 pilots, the greatest reward
 >for their work is the satisfaction of probing the mysteries
 >inside the sky. In last week's flight Bob White found a new
 >mystery for scientists to puzzle over: through the X-15's thick
 >left quartz window, he saw a strange sight: 'There ARE things
 >out there,' he radioed enthusiastically over his voice radio.
 >'There absolutely is.'

 >As White later described one 'thing': 'It looked like a piece of
 >paper the size of my hand tumbling slowly outside the plane. It
 >was greyish in color, and about 30 to 40 feet away. I haven't
 >any idea what it could be.'

 >Oberg continues: engineers postulated he was seeing ice flaking
 >off the engine nozzle, super-cooled by the liquid oxygen
 >propellant and broken loose by the firings of the X-15's
 >attitude control thrusters once it was in space. This
 >explanation came to satisfy everybody in the X-15 program,
 >especially in hindsight when nearby tumbling ice flakes became a
 >common sight on orbital missions.


Hi James,

Flakes of ice in the vacuum of space I can buy into but not
within the atmosphere at supersonic speeds-and thirty to forty
feet away tumbling in front of the pressure wave-which
incidentally should be well aft of the X-15. That's one strong
piece of ice flake. NASA et al seem to be getting away with the
ice flake explanation for a lot of sightings and to be honest-I
think it's getting a bit old.

Open to any reasonable suggestions.

Don Ledger


Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:31:38 -0400
From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
Subject: Re: Filer's Files #48 - 2001


 >From: James Oberg <joberg@houston.rr.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: Filer's Files #48 - 2001
 >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:13:51 -0600

 >>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:35:21 -0500
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>From: George A. Filer <WeeklyFiles@filersfiles.com>
 >>Subject: Filer's Files #48 - 2001

 >>FILER'S FILES #48 MUFON Skywatch Investigations
 >>George A. Filer, Director, Mutual UFO Network Eastern
 >>November 28, 2001, Majorstar@AOL.COM.
 >>Webmaster Chuck Warren http://www.filersfiles.com,

 >JimO reports this item which might have gotten lost in the
 >recent s---storm (that's s--- for sNOW) and modestly brings it
 >to Filer's attention so he can respond with equal
 >graciousness...

 >And again, the likelihood is certainly there that it has already
 >been corrected and that i in my inadequate scholarship just
 >haven't been able to find it.

 >-----

 >Source: Rense.com

 >http://www.rense.com/ufo3/vivid.htm

 >From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com>
 >Mutual UFO Network Eastern Director
 >MUFON Skywatch Investigations
 >Filer's Files #16
 >4-24-99

 >Another great example is the X-15 'sighting' by Bob White which
 >fraudulently omits explanatory details from the cited source
 >(Time magazine),

 >The cited article is TIME magazine, July 27, 1962, pp. 12-13,
 >entitled 'SPACE: Inside the Sky'. It is a portrait of Major
 >Robert White.

 >The final paragraph reads: 'New Mystery: After the sky-stabbing
 >record flight last week, four X-15 pilots -- White, Walker,
 >North American's Scott Crossfield, and Navy Commander Forrest
 >Petersen -- journeyed to Washington, where President Kennedy
 >gave them the Robert J. Collier Trophy, presented annually since
 >1911 for outstanding achievements in flight.

 >But for White and his fellow X-15 pilots, the greatest reward
 >for their work is the satisfaction of probing the mysteries
 >inside the sky. In last week's flight Bob White found a new
 >mystery for scientists to puzzle over: through the X-15's thick
 >left quartz window, he saw a strange sight: 'There ARE things
 >out there,' he radioed enthusiastically over his voice radio.
 >'There absolutely is.'

 >As White later described one 'thing': 'It looked like a piece of
 >paper the size of my hand tumbling slowly outside the plane. It
 >was greyish in color, and about 30 to 40 feet away. I haven't
 >any idea what it could be.'

 >Oberg continues: engineers postulated he was seeing ice flaking
 >off the engine nozzle, super-cooled by the liquid oxygen
 >propellant and broken loose by the firings of the X-15's
 >attitude control thrusters once it was in space. This
 >explanation came to satisfy everybody in the X-15 program,
 >especially in hindsight when nearby tumbling ice flakes became a
 >common sight on orbital missions.


Hi James,

Flakes of ice in the vacuum of space I can buy into but not
within the atmosphere at supersonic speeds-and thirty to forty
feet away tumbling in front of the pressure wave-which
incidentally should be well aft of the X-15. That's one strong
piece of ice flake. NASA et al seem to be getting away with the
ice flake explanation for a lot of sightings and to be honest-I
think it's getting a bit old.

Open to any reasonable suggestions.

Don Ledger







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