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Re: UFO Documents on MOD Website - Clarke

From: David  Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:39:53 -0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:19:01 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Documents on MOD Website - Clarke


 >From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk>
 >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:06:40 -0000
 >Subject: UFO Documents on MOD Website

 >Various UFO documents are now available on the Ministry of
 >Defence website. These comprise a brief policy statement on the
 >issue, a 1951 report from the so-called Flying Saucer Working
 >Party, and papers from the file on the Rendlesham Forest
 >incident (a.k.a. the Bentwaters incident).

 ><snip>

 >The release of this material has been a big story in the UK
 >today. Georgina Bruni, whose work with former Chief of the
 >Defence Staff Lord Hill-Norton led to the release of much of
 >this material, has spent much of the day recording television
 >and radio interviews.


Nick --

If it is the case that the work of Bruni and Hill-Norton "led to
the release of much of this material", then how do explain this
statement, by the Permanent Secretary of State for the MoD,
published today by the Parliamentary Ombudsman:


"...The Permanent Secretary responded on 11 April [2002] and
outlined the background to [Eric Morris'] complaint, together
with a history of the MOD's approach to information requests
relating to the Rendlesham Forest incident.

The Permanent Secretary detailed how the release of documents
contained within the 'Rendlesham file' *had first been
considered* [my emphasis] in response to a request in May 2001
from a different correspondent.

At that time five documents from the file had been with-held:
three under Exemption 2 and two under Exemption 1. The Permanent
Secretary said that the two papers with-held under Exemption 1
were subsequently released following an internal review."


My first request for the Rendlesham file, under the Code of
Practice for Access to Government Information, was made on 7
February 2001. The application was accepted and copies of the
174 documents were released to me on 11 May 2001, exactly as the
Permanent Secretary to the MoD reports to the Ombudsman.

I subsequently appealed against the decision to with-hold the
two documents with-held under Exemption 1 (National Security).
On 2 October 2001 Michael Tonnison, MOD's Director of
Information Exploitation, accepted my appeal and released the
two documents that were subsequently posted on
www.flyingsaucery.com

Eric Morris of BUFOSC then took up the case and complained to
the Ombudsman against the decision to with-hold the remaining 3
briefing papers. He won the case too, hence the decision
announced today.

There is no mention in the Ombudsman's report of Georgina Bruni
or Lord Hill-Norton. I've no doubt that their influence helped
bring these matters to a head, but it was mine and Eric's
applications under the FOIA that released this information to
the public.

As for the Flying Saucer Working Party document, you might
remember the interview you gave Andy Roberts and me in London
back in April 2001, shortly after we had engineered the release
of this historic file from the MoD Records Officer.

One of the questions we asked - on tape - was: "Do you know
anything about the intelligence study that was done in 1950-51?"

You answer was: "Not a lot, no. I certainly haven't seen it."

You quite clearly had *never even heard of* the Flying Saucer
Working Party, until we revealed its existence here on UFO
UpDates in October that year.

Is it not about time Nick that, to paraphrase Gary Anthony, you
took your head out of the clouds and acknowledged that fact?

Or has working for the MoD provided you with good training in
how to avoid answering awkward questions?

Best,

Dave Clarke

www.flyingsaucery.com



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