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Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup? - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:08:16 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:40:49 -0500
Subject: Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup? - Lehmberg


>From: William Scott Scherk <wss@uniserve.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:00:11 -0800
>Subject: Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup?

>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net>
>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:05:12 -0800
>>Subject: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup?

>Rudiak writes:

>>Dennis Rawlins' lengthy FATE Magazine account (excerpts above
>>and below) of CSICOP's cover-up and censorship of material
>>plus their vindictive tactics against people is exactly what
>>I am experiencing right now concerning my expose of Charles
>>Moore's Mogul balloon trajectory calculation hoax.

>http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2003/dec/m03-001.shtml

>Skeptical Inquirer and its publishers work against what they see
>as pseudoscience, irrational beliefs, and dangerous quackery.

Oh please! Better men and women than me provide well cited
arguments indicating that dangerous quackery, irrational belief,
and bald pseudoscience has become the province of the Skeptical
Inquirer whatever its _alleged_ provenance earlier, belying your
proclamation on the matter and invalidating same. I suggest you
need to look beyond their professional looking, but very canted
four-color brochure for their real agenda and remove the crown
and holy robe you would seemingly have them wear.

>Some may believe that a Mogul flight provides a reaonable
>explanation for the initial Roswell flap.

But them some _would_ wouldn't they? Given the reluctance of
"some" to remove themselves from the crown of creation, abdicate
the never really held position of God's chosen and favorite,
having to do-over work already thought done, or chancing the
discovery that everything they thought they knew... is wrong?

>Dave Thomas is one such person:

Dave Thomas, with all respect to the gentleman, is also,
apparently, a person reluctant to get knocked out of his
intellectual cat-bird seat and cop to Rudiak's very competent
destruction of a shabby, illogical, and finally, fanciful
explanation for the events in question.

>'What is the bottom line on the Roswell Incident, NYU, and
>Project Mogul?

Well - given that the average person has had his sensibilities
jerked back and forth the line of credulity by official
agencies, closed institutions and shadow governments so often
and so hard we can be assured of only one thing, really, and
that is that the "bottom line" remains unperceived by Mr. Thomas
(et al) and more than he is willing to _accept_, in any case!

>In Moore's words, "When the wind information is
>coupled with the similarities in the debris described by the
>eyewitnesses - the balsa sticks, the 'tinfoil,' the tape with
>pastel, pinkish-purple flowers, the smoky gray balloon rubber
>with a burnt odor, the eyelets, the tough paper, the
>four-inch-diameter aluminum pieces and the black box - to the
>materials used in our balloon flight trains, it appears to me
>that it would be difficult to exclude NYU Flight 4 as a likely
>source of the debris that W. W. Brazel found on the Foster ranch
>in 1947." From "The Roswell Incident and Project Mogul"

In other words, UFOs are *impossible*, so Balloons (...clearly
demonstrated by Rudiak to be as "impossible" as UFOs...) are the
next likely explanation for a _huge_ debris field and gouged
Earth, and _they_ are elected to fill Mr. Moore's intellectual
void? "Eliminate the impossible and whatever remains, however
improbable, _must_ be the truth"? That's 2% thinking, sir. Less
and less seems to _be_ impossible with every hour that passes in
this early 21 Century...

>http://www.csicop.org/si/9507/roswell.html

Committee for the Seriously Insentient Commitment of Obdurate
Persons... this is hardly a citation, Mr. Scherk. I'd sooner
make reference to a Nazi/Skinhead site for information on
Jewry...

>On the one hand we have a limited circulation magazine
>(approximately 40,000 subsribers) publishing comments such as
>those from Thomas; on the other hand we have evidence that these
>have little impact, such results of a 2002 Roper poll:

40,000 subscribers! What's the subscription rate for their rag?
From where else comes the operating capital for the dark nation
of CSICOPia... and fear not, sir, you still have a doting parent
in the hijacked mainstream... Moreover, your impact has been
HUGE, as you well know! Sixty years of Ufological struggle and
we still debate whether or not UFOs even _exist! I'd say your
effect has been monumental! Additionally, we can compare the
office environs and operating budgets of CUFOs and CSICOP
headquarters to see who is supported, how well, and by how much.

>"More than two-thirds of Americans say that the government is
>not telling the public everything it knows about UFO activity
>(72 percent) or extraterrestrial life (68 percent)."

>See:

Ha... Ask any _one_ of these in the 72% or 68% the damning
question in front of their bosses or co-workers and find that
they disavow said beliefs, sir, for fear of ridicule for being
interested! Like I said, your effect has been monstrous!

>http://www.scifi.com/ufo/roper/04.html

>Put this alongside findings from a 1997 Time/CNN poll.

>"As for the Roswell incident, nearly two-thirds of the
>respondents to the poll said they believed that a UFO crash-
>landed in a field outside the New Mexico town 50 years ago
>next month."

See above!

>See;

>http://edition.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/ ]

>Why give time and effort to debunking the debunkers? It doesn't
>seem to me that CSICOP has made much of a dent in majority
>beliefs.

You assess apples and oranges and conclude there are no such
things as pomegranates. The "dent" of CSICOPia (more a crater,
really) is that the giggle factor is kept high, evidence is
dismissed in the bogus rubric of extraordinary claims requiring
extraordinary evidence, and social punishments are enforced for
thinking out of the box in the matter.

>If the publishers, editors and writers associated with SI came
>on over to Rudiak's side tomorrow, would it make much of a
>difference?

I think I've been very clear that it would make a _huge_
difference, but none of us will be hold our breath!  And, don't
fool yourself, sir, in comparison to other sides, Rudiak has the
only game in town. Unlike his shrill detractors, he goes where
the data leads, is willing to re-do work the CSICOPians proclaim
_done_, and he refuses to distort the data to support convenient
conclusions. For your arguments to have any validity, at all,
two and two have to add up to *five*, sir, and that's a
CSICOPian legacy... not one indorsed by Rudiak.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

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