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Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup? - Clark

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:47:29 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:10:06 -0500
Subject: Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup? - Clark

>From: William Scott Scherk <wss@uniserve.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:18:42 -0800
>Subject: Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup?

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:20:15 -0600
>>Subject: Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup?

>>>From: William Scott Scherk <wss@uniserve.com>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:28:54 -0800
>>>Subject: Re: sTARBABY & A New CSICOP Coverup?

Patient and gentle Listfolk:

It is not my intention to waste time in a debate with somebody
who regards those who disagree with him as "nutbags" - the odd
phrase makes me wonder if this guy is 80 years old - and who
seems unable to tell the difference between Fate magazine and
Science Frontiers (and who, one infers, thinks the editors of
these very different periodicals are living the lifestyle of
Scrooge McDuck).

I might add, by the way, that during its heyday, which was long
ago under the regime of Curtis and Mary Fuller, Fate was such a
money-loser that it survived only because it was financed by the
Fullers's other publishing operation, which catered to the
recreational- vehicle industry. The Fullers kept Fate alive not
because it made them any money - it certainly didn't do that -
 but because, as they often told me, it was "fun." The RV
publications, by way of contrast, were work.

George P. Hansen once wrote a revealing piece on CSICOP, its
ideology, and its funding. Those who are interested should look
it up. I believe it's at Hansen's website, the URL for which
should be easily findable via Google. I have also had insights
into the organization from my late friends Gordon Stein, who
worked for CSICOP at a good salary (and who was regularly flown
around the country examining libraries and archives for purchase
through CSICOP's deep pockets), and CSICOP cofounder Marcello
Truzzi. Among other employees, CSICOP actually has a paid,
fulltime investigator (Joe Nickell, whom I've known for a long
time and always liked and respected even when we disagreed). Can
you imagine a UFO organization's being able to fund a fulltime
investigator? To my knowledge, it's happened twice, and briefly
(the money ran out quickly), in the decades-long history of
American ufology.

Those who have spent time writing UFO books and conducting other
serious research into anomalies will know how little money there
is in that enterprise (most publishers don't even accept UFO
manuscripts anymore, since they're demonstrably unprofitable),
and how organizations engaged in serious UFO study barely
survive, usually without even a single parttime paid employee.

Those who want to know where the money is are urged to find
their way to CSICOP headquarters and see with their own eyes
what you can do with well- heeled donors, access to elite media,
and a relentless professional fund-raising operation.

CSICOP has every right to fund itself to the best of its
ability, of course, but it really ought not to be so shameless
and hypocritical as to pretend it's poorer than its rivals on
the open-minded side of the controversy over anomalies and the

On the other hand, pretending to be poor is always a good way to
separate the sympathetic true believer from his or her money.
And the CSICOP faithful, as we have seen, believe as truly as
one can believe.

Jerry Clark