UFO UpDates
A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena
'Its All Here In Black & White'
Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com > 2003 > Dec > Dec 10

Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown" - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:12:55 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown" - Lehmberg


>From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:23:37 -0000
>Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown"

>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:23:34 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown"

>Alfred wrote a very long post again. As he has nothing new to
>say I'm not going to waste listspace in going over the same
>ground yet again. However, there are two parts of his nonsense I
>will respond to:

Nothing here... Mr. Robert's would have done well to make _no_
response, it seems.

>>Right... We can stop right here, actually. The first to get mad,
>>get cute, or tender an insult has lost the argument. You're
>>breathing, heavily, on all three.

>I didn't realise we were arguing Alfred - I'm just amusing
>myself whilst listening to the Grateful Dead. Your response,
>however, is most illuminating and tells us much about you. As I
>said at the end of a previous post, easy Alfred, easy.

Nothing here, either... Mr. Roberts oozes the usual pedantic and
patronising (read empty!) smarmyness.

>>Set me aright, sir. I'd
>>like to 'understand', and as I'm representative of persons
>>expected to buy your books (or extend you idiosyncratic credit),
>>it seems it's in your best interest to help me do just that.

>I'm afraid that's where your entirely wrong Alfred. I have no
>wish for you to read my books at all. You or any ufologist who
>clearly can't think clearly. My books etc. are written more for
>the general public, and for serious ufologists, who haven't been
>warped by listening to people such as yourself, who, as I've
>said before, are keen to offer comment but much less keen to
>produce work of lasting relevance to the subject.

Arrogant, elitist, and huffy, but nothing, still. Mr. Roberts
busys himself with the bland insults and the worried
protestations of the schoolyard scold. Nothing but cheap usenet
flatware on _his_ table, it would appear.

>Now, as I said to Stuart M, go away and don't appear in my mail
>box again until you have something useful - and concise - to
>say!

You could abandon ufology and cyberspace... sir, that will
handily solve your mailbox difficulties, and I trust this was
concise enough for you?

>Happy Trails

I'd call it a trail of tears...

But re-establishing focus (something I'm sure you're loath to
do, Mr Roberts?), Mr. Burns sent me the latest copy of "Notes
from the Borderland" and the very readable and cogent piece is a
whale of a tale in about eleven thousand words and 57 citations.
 I'd written a previous piece from a draft of Mr. Burns article,
and the final copy had a _lot_ more focus. Very interesting
reading, again, dismissed (very predictably by the lovely Mr.
Roberts) as a paranoid rant... It seemed a bit more than that to
_this_ reader...

In "The Usual Suspects," Mr. Burns iterates how Mr. Andy Roberts
(et. al.) works to suppress information at its source and how he
gets a false story accepted. Burns underscores methods used to
undermine witnesses. Burns goes on to show how UFO research is
attacked directly, how the researcher is attacked in a similar
fashion, and how communication is suppressed to facilitate these
attacks...

Mr. Burns is elequent with regard to witness intimidation and
how that process (of isolating individuals open to different
ideas) works. He chronicles the process of "hoaxing to order"
to facilitate hidden agendas and how hypocracy is used to
destroy the independance (and efficacious interdependance) of
others. All in all a pretty damning account, Mr. Roberts, given
that he's published in a periodical of _some_ respect... (at
least you haven't yet thought to to try to destroy the
reputation of that periodical too), and has provided almost 60
citations to support his contention.

All we have from you are dime store insults, sweeping
proclamations of portentous paucity, and wan pontifications
(like your last paragraph above... jaw dropping example!).
Alternately we're treated with empty posts of pompous impotence
via UFO UpDates (pardon me, not). Its no wonder that you won't
answer Mr. Burns challenge to a public debate... it's pretty
obvious you're all about _nothing_ and more comfortable standing
in your duplicitous and destructive shadows doing your 'work'
such that it is.....

In closing (and until you stick your head up over the berm
again) let me remind you publically that your pissy little
personal notes to me in E-mail are unwelcome, forgetting that
they don't have the effect on me you'd like to think they have.
I'm neither amused nor entertained. Indeed they only increase
my resolve to examine your professional malfeasence for the
record. Anything I have to say to you will be said in a public
forum, as I've told you.

I've been warned by others that this is a tactic that you (et
al) use to needle and intimidate and control... Forgetting for a
moment how pathetic and ineffective they are, at present they
only increase my desire to rip off your literary head and use
your bubbling throat for a field toilet. I hope I've been
abundantly clear. Thanks.

...Easy, indeed.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

EXPLORE "AlienViewGroup" at its HostPros URL.
http://www.alienview.net


JOHN FORD RESTORATION FUND -- John will be released eventually.
He'll need a tax free cash stake to get on his feet. Let's put
one together for him; the bigger it is -- the more attention he
gets. It could have been you. E-mail for detail. $450.00 pledged
-- $200.00 collected!

"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see
from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, scourged by
the scabrously specious scurrilous.