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Re: 'Strange Secrets' - Miller

From: Stuart Miller <Stuart.Miller4@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:31:58 -0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:50:06 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Strange Secrets' - Miller


>From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:33:30 -0000
>Subject: Re: 'Strange Secrets'

>>From: Stuart Miller <Stuart.Miller4@btinternet.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:57:31 -0000
>>Subject: Re: 'Strange Secrets'

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>That's why I'd be extremely happy if I _did_ discover that ET
>was visiting earth - because I'd be able to write a best seller
>and get on with the other things I want to do.

>I write books for the fun of it and to educate the befuddled.
>It's tedious but someone has to do it and it might as well be
>me.

>Have a think Stuart, and try to come up with something a
>_little_ bit more relevant next time.


Andy,

I would imagine the Grateful Dead were exactly that in your
company.

Yes, I do have a very good idea what authors get paid. Notice, I
have actually written a book. I would have thought that the
request for ten pounds would have been an indication that I was
winding you up, so better make a note, "No sense of humour
either." This is obviously a very sore point as Nick had a go
about it in private to me and one or two other comments have
appeared as well. For what it's worth, I genuinely wish any
researcher, whatever his hue, who is able to get his material
into print, the very best of financial success. Truly. Of
course, I would prefer it was done with honest material, without
contrived and pre-determined conclusions but that is a
preference, not a condition. May your bank balance only grow
Andy. I would like that ten pounds by the way.

It is however a little disingenuous to claim a lowly income from
writing. You cannot look at a published book in isolation, at
least not in your case. "Shadows" was the most successful book
you wrote. It may not have provided a substantial income but the
increase in your profile as a result of the book's success drew
in other projects, for which you presumably have been paid as
well. And good luck to you. I see nothing wrong with deriving an
income out of Ufology, however large or small and anyone who
implies some imorality in it is not being realistic. In your
case though you don't seem to have earned enough so I would ask
all sympathetic listers to send donations to Andy via his e-mail
address. Remember, charitable donations are tax deductable.

I wasn't trying to be ironic. I was successfully being sarcastic
and I would have expected you in particular to recognise it as
it was slapping you about the face at the time like a wet fish,
and what with all your past mumblings about Brigantia 'n all. I
do hope you're not claiming sarcasm as the sole domain of the
sneering sceptic?

I do admire your naivete or arrogance but I can't determine
which it is. It is truly puerile to suggest that someone's
opinion on a subject is not worthwhile because they haven't
written a book, but you seem happy to confirm that. I guess it's
got to be arrogance then. You really do yourself no favours on
this List, at times, Andy. It is also patently obvious that you
regard virtually every researcher and advocate of
extraterrestrial reality as stupid, to be laughed at. It seems
your primary logic for this is that we believe in this reality
as opposed to "knowing" about it. Belief systems are for the
intellectually ignorant then. Oh well. That's about three
quarters of the world that you've managed to dismiss with a wave
of the hand. Yep, it definitely is arrogance.

I would suggest however that on that basis, your views on the
ETH are also a belief system. I know you'll say that you will be
convinced if shown indesputable proof but I also know you never
expect to see any. Any denial of that would be unconvincing. You
believe there is no such thing as extraterrestrials visiting
this planet. You don't know that. Whatever you say, you can only
believe it.

And as if to yet further confirm my view that you regard us all
as stupid, you happily admit to hoaxing and then insult us
further by claiming these were controlled experiments with a
sociological purpose. The only purposes of these hoaxes Andy was
to laugh at us. And you wonder why people hit back at you with
venemous aggression?

I was highly amused by your tone throughout and in particular,
your comments about a worrying lack of control and hatred.
Calming the madman eh? We've all done that when confronted by
extreme anger. Indeed, I believe Nick Redfern enjoyed a similar
experience, a while back, when a lunatic went for his neck.

In conclusion, on behalf of all on this List, I would like to
thank you for the heavy mantle of responsibility you have
graciously accepted on our behalf to "educate us". We are
grateful, but what we've learned is not that your views have any
worth or weight. Instead, we have learned that the world is not
a fair place and that even a dysfunctional misfit can get his
voice heard if he shouts loudly enough.

Do you wear Hi Tech walking boots?

BTW, a few of us have a new game called Roberts' Russian
Roulette. I'll explain the rules in more detail next time. But
it involves seeing how often you shoot yourself in the head in
an individual post. It's quite tricky but there seem to be more
playing this than that bingo game about Jerry.


Stuart Miller