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Re: Wild Bill Donovan, Vannevar Bush & UFOs -

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:20:07 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:30:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Wild Bill Donovan, Vannevar Bush & UFOs -

>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
>To:  ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:29:48 -0400
>Subject: Re: Wild Bill Donovan, Vannevar Bush & UFOs

>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:34:59 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Wild Bill Donovan, Vannevar Bush & UFOs


>>There is of course mention of the infamous "Intrepid" in
>>Brown's book, but I personally haven't seen anything past that.

>Thank you Frank,

>If indeed there was some connection with Donovan to some
>classifed project concerning UFOs both during or following the
>war, I can't see Stephenson not being in that loop, first with
>the BSI at the time and of course Canadian intelligence. It's
>interesting to note as well that Stephenson was the only non-
>American to receive an award from the CIA back in [I believe-my
>records/references are in storage] 1970. I've always been
>fascinated by what intelligence connections there had to be
>between the US and Canada both during the war and after due to
>the "Intrepid"/Donovan connection. And how little is known bout


>Don Ledger

Good Day Don & The Gang,

I have always been fascinated by the "Truman era" and the
"emergence of the intelligence community" alone, and doubly so
in relationship to the UFO phenomenon.

It's no secret that during the UFO flap of 1947, "Russians" was
one of the first words uttered out of Military Intelligence.
Some may say that given the validity of what crashed near
Roswell, and if earlier similar instances took place, e.g., Cape
Girardeau, The Battle of LA etc., why then would we "look at
Russia" at all given the obvious "nonterrestial origin" of said

My theory is that before 1947, before a civilian "Intelligence
Agency," before a "common analyzation point" the separate
"military intelligence units" e.g., G-2, ONI, CIC etc., were
like "puppies at the food dish!" Intelligence wasn't "easily
shared." Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est--Knowledge is power!
Some would ask, "how can this be given the importance of various
intelligence matters?" The answer is "politics!" Presidents and
administrations come and go--they are only temporary renters of
the "White House." (Many in the military and or intelligence
agencies go through several administrations). The afore
mentioned separate MI units seemed to be very competitive.
Though the FBI isn't an "intelligence agency" by mandate, they
have, and did perform intelligence work, particularly doing the
war; in reading many of the "declassified FBI docs" one can
easily see the "competitive, protective and almost arrogant
attitude that Hoover and his cronies had.

All that said it doesn't surprise me, That the "powers-that-be"
at the time, weren't completely "in the know." So exploring "the
Russian connection" in regards to all the "unconventional craft"
flying all over the country seemed prevalent. Moreover, for
those that did "know the whole picture," the next "logical
question" in my humble opinion, is, "if these "flying discs"
that are ET spacecraft are falling out of the sky in this
country, are they falling over the Soviet Union as well?" If so,
and the odds are likely (from an intelligence point of view)
since the "flying discs" were being reported all over the world,
then do the Russians have one in their possession, and how long
have they? What will the repercussions be in terms of Soviet
Technological advancement? Are the Soviets talking to our
visitors? Are the visitors making friends with our enemy? Etc.,

Now, from that point of view--it seems that "obtaining
'intelligence' on Russia" would have been imperative. Quite
frankly, after the war, intelligence on Russia was slim pickens;
therefore the most data would have been "from the war," and the
best source of course was the OSS a la "Wild Bill Donovan!"

It seems only natural to me that he would be a member of a
secret committee in regards to gathering "intelligence" on
Russia; and the other scientific members, i.e., Bush and Compton
validates, in my mind, the UFO involvement.

Since Donovan made a habit about procuring "old friends and
assets" it would be no surprise to me that "Stephenson" would
have been tapped for assistance. Again, let's not forget that
UFO's did not restrict their flight over this country. If they
didn't have a downed craft in their possession, the Brits as
well as Canadians would naturally assume these craft were either
ours or belonging to the Russians--but their questions and the
need for intelligence would be the same.


Frank Warren