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Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:11:22 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:59:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:57:02 -0500
>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>From: Tim Shell <tshell@vcmails.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:04:55 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Internvention Stops Abductions

>>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby@aol.com>
>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:02:31 EST
>>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Internvention Stops Abductions


>I think an important distinction needs to be acknowledged. There
>are two types of abductees... people who 'think/imagine' they
>are being abducted and people who _are_ being abducted. The
>inherent problem in this thread so far has been that the latter
>has not been given due consideration.

>Hey, if people who 'think' they are being abducted can stop it
>by calling on Jesus, Daffy Duck or any other Guardian Deity they
>might believe in, more power to em. The fact remains that many
>ARE being physically abducted/taken and I don't think that
>calling on _anybody_ can stop it once it starts. If there is
>anything that can be said about the 'abductors' it is that they
>are coldly efficient, single-minded in their purpose and that
>once the 'abduction operation' begins, it is executed with
>military precision and efficiency.

>They do what they do whether you like it or not. You can kick,
>shout, knock yourself out, nothing matters, nothing will make it
>stop. I worked with Budd Hopkins for many years. There is case
>after case (my own included) where people are in the middle of
>the business of their day when... the car is approached by a
>UFO, or they are somehow deviated from the direction they were
>travelling in and they find themselves in some isolated area, or
>as in the Debbie Jordan case, while Debbie and her mom were
>puttering around the house, an abduction event unfolds. I'm
>talking about people who are wide awake and busy doing something
>else when all of a sudden, bang! They are smack in the middle of
>an absolutely horrible situation that they are helpless to
>prevent or to curtail no matter how much they protest. In
>Debbie's case she went out to the yard with her father's loaded
>shotgun in her hand.

>She never got off a shot.

>I don't think mentioning _anybody's_ name, Jesus or whoever,
>would have stopped what happened to her and her mom that night.
>Ditto for me and for many other cases I can quote from.

>Let's make a distinction between those who are 'imagining' they
>are being abducted and those who are ACTUALLY being abducted and
>this thread will suddenly begin to make some sense. I resent the
>lack of distinction between the two here in this thread.


I have to say I'm a bit surprised at you. You've always struck
me as one of the most level-headed and _objective_ Listers, in
spite of your very personal involvement with abductions. Yet,
here you go making an outright assumption that anyone able to
ward off an abduction by invoking the name of a deity absolutely
must be imagining it, despite the fact that we have precious
little empirical evidence either way with which to make this
distinction clinically. I am guessing you are making this
distinction based on your firm belief that "real" aliens (like
the ones _you_ encountered) would not be scared away by such an
invocation. I find this to be uncharacteristically supercilious
of you.

You're usually the first one to call for open-minded study of
this phenomenon, precisely because you, nor anyone else, has
all, or perhaps any, of the answers. Yet here you go assuming
things about an alleged _alien_ race, one we know next to
nothing about; worse, you are assuming things about other
experiencers, and about the nature of the entire phenomenon.

Now before you go making another assumption, let me disabuse you
of it in advance: I am a lifelong atheist and secular humanist.
I no more believe that aliens would be truly impressed with the
name of Jesus Christ than you do. However, it has occurred to me
on more than one occasion that these alleged entities may
themselves be galactic disinformation agents, who customarily
plant false flags into the abduction milieu precisely in order
to confound our attempts at seeing what is really happening.
This would explain the contradictory stories we hear about their
stated origin, purpose, etc. The lack of consistency from
account to account is a prime cause of disbelief in the reality
of the phenomenon...thus they have developed a technique to
"hide in plain sight."

Perhaps this feigned terror at the mention of JC is another
tactic in this disinfo game. They are aware that stirring a
religious component into the brew will ward off further
investigation by a large percentage of science and academia. It
sure worked on you!

Needless to say, this is just one hypotheses floating around in
my head. There are others - maybe "Jesus Christ" translates into
their language as "I have an energy weapon." Maybe there _is_ a
Jesus Christ, but he is a greatly feared sub-commander for this
sector of space...

My main point is, John, that there is a natural tendency in
abductees to dismiss the stories of other abductees who do not
report similar experiences. I thought you were largely immune to
that sort of "provincialism." I just thought you should be aware
that to some non-experiencers, your remarks seemed an awful lot
like the pot calling the kettle black.

Best wishes for the holiday,