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Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown" - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:45:49 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:25:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown" - Lehmberg

>From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:39:41 -0000
>Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown"

>>From: Richard Conway <ranger_conway@yahoo.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:31 -0800 (PST)
>>Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown"


>Richard writes:

>>Tut tut Andy, at it again bad mouthing anybody and everybody who
>>doesn't buy into your lop-sided view of ufology. This is not
>>healthy behaviour. I'm still waiting for a formal answer to my

>>Unfortunately all I got in response was unadulterated rubbish -
>>if you don't understand scientific methodology then you should
>>just say so Andy. There is no shame. After all there are plenty
>>of charlatan "experimentalists" such as yourself who justify
>>their existence through the ignorance of their audience.

>Not so Richard. You asked (and I'm not sure who _you_ are in
>ufology, as you've failed to produce anything of lasting
>interest to the subject) if I had constructed my hoaxing
>experiments in a 'scientific' way.

It's pretty safe to say that you have produced so far, yourself,
only the personification of the adage regarding a man's *good*
being interred with his bones as the 'evil' he's done lives on
and on, Mr. Roberts. Moreover, _your_ "lasting interest" is as
yet indeterminate, especially as your methods come to be seen
for what they are: programmed obfuscation, unrepentant
duplicity, and self-induced confusion. You perform no service,
sir, but the facilitation of your target's denial. Additionally,
only an idiot, a fool, or a sociopath would propose that
"Science" and "hoaxing" are _anything_ but mutually exclusive.
What a strutting popinjay, a popinjay fooling himself that he is
_anybody_ worthwhile in ufology, makes a valued contribution to
it, or has the respect of any real ufologists. You flatter
yourself without any justification, sir.

>I replied that they were all well documented and had sufficient
>structure to be able to see if they worked, i.e., if dumb
>ufologists fell for them. They did, they are doing and they will

That is so indolently and astonishingly _feeble_, Mr. Roberts.
If one was not there to provide the lie in the first place the
lie wouldn't get re-told. It doesn't matter who's lying... _you_
in the service of a science you obviously don't understand, or
the more legitimate hoaxer you weakly suggest you protect us
from. Now _that's_ risible! <LOL>

>You are now in a boo because I refused to give you further
>information. Live with it.

We're not living with you, Mr. Roberts. You're living with us,
the persons you disrespect and betray. Live with -that-.

>>Therefore I'm not surprised that you consider your book's
>>primary audience as the general public.

>Who else is there to write for? The majority of ufologists are
>bitter, twisted and jealous and only believe what they wish to,
>without doing the R&I to prove otherwise.

Flap-doodle, Mr. Roberts. There are five of the best Ufology has
to offer right here on this List who won't fit your ignorant
description and who believe (when they think of you at all) that
you are an unfortunate issue of a cross between intellectual
cowardice and patent anti-science.

>Happy Trails

...Maybe it was trail, once...

>'...Andy Roberts seems less like a government agent than anybody
>I have ever met, but of course that might show what a very good
>agent he is!' -- John Rimmer, Magonia 83, December 2003

Not the _-best_ choice of personal recommendations, Mr.
Roberts... forgetting that it can, easily, be taken in an
unflattering way. We ought to contact Dr. Larry O'Hara for a

"Andy Roberts [among others]... attack-dogs... Snarling,
vicious, and unreasoning... switched on and off at will, but
definitely concerted." -- N FB Issue 5, Winter 2003-4


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