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Re: Denzler Abductee Survey? - Denzler

From: Brenda Denzler <denzlerb@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:14:01 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:46:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Denzler Abductee Survey? - Denzler


>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:16:25 -0500
>Subject: Denzler Abductee Survey? [was: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention...]

>>From: Brenda Denzler <denzlerb@bellsouth.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:40:57 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby@aol.com>
>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:23:49 EST
>>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>>John, it would be of interest to know religious backgrounds of
>>>abductees. Has anyone got stats on this?

>>In my survey of people who believe they have been abducted, 44% said
>>they were Protestant Christians, 15% were Roman Catholics, 3% are
>>Jewish, 10% are agnostics or atheists, and 29% identified themselves
>>merely as "other". N = @765, gathered from paper interviews handed out
>>at conferences and from electronic interviews completed
over the Web.

>Not to be a PITA or a stickler but... what diagnostic criteria
>was employed to determine that the respondents were "abductees"?

You're not being a stickler at all, John. It's a perfectly
reasonable question. And the answer is, none.

My object was not to delineate a "true" abductee from a "false"
or "wannabe" abductee. For one thing, I have no psychological
training as a basis from which to make such a distinction. For
another thing, I find the whole question devilishly hard

and suspect that this would be the case even *if* I had
psychological training. For a third thing, this approach does
the skeptics the favor of taking seriously their claim that
*everyone* is a wannabe abductee, and THEN looking at the
characteristics of the people who comprise that group. The
skeptical community is wont to make all kinds of statements
about people who believe they have been abducted by aliens.

This data gave/gives me a way to comment on those statements in
a more informed way than just sticking out my tongue and saying,
"Nuh-uh."

My object was to look at the profile of anyone who felt
sufficiently identified with the term "abductee" or
"experiencer" that they would be willing to fill out my survey.
My interests are sociological rather than psychological. Given
that abductee-hood is a highly dubious status according to much
of mainstream U.S. culture, and given that even within the UFO
sub-culture the exact parameters of what abductee status might
be is highly contested -- it seemed to me the way to approach
the topic.

The implicit criticism in your query is that my survey may have
measured indiscriminately the wanna-be's and the real things (as
defined from the UFO insider's point of view), lumped them all
together, and thereby skewed the results. And you're right, that
could be the case. But until there is some consensus on just
what constitutes a genuine abductee, and even more so until
there is a broader cultural acceptance of the idea that
abductions happen, this lumping together is somewhat useful.

If nothing else, it allows us to see the social parameters of
the _idea_ of alien abduction -- what the people who identify
with that label (rightly or wrongly) are like. Perhaps someone
with more sophisticated statistical analysis skills than I could
parse the data in such a way that two sub-sets of individuals
would appear: one subset with one profile and another with a
second very distinct profile, indicating that we might have two
kinds of people responding to the survey -- the real deals and
the wannabes that are posited to exist in the UFO/abduction sub-
culture. That, however, is a question that I am not able to
answer. I do plan to deposit my data in some secure, reputable
location for public use (sans identifiers of the respondents,
for privacy's sake) when I am finally done with it. So maybe
someone in the future will be able to pick it all up and
manipulate it all in new and exciting ways.

I am, by the way, continuing to collect survey data (albeit in a
very slow manner nowadays), so if anyone knows of anyone who
would be a likely candidate to fill out the forms, I would very
much appreciate it if you'd pass along my name and email
address, and/or my website.


Brenda Denzler
http://www.abductionproject.com
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and good with ketchup"