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Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown" - Clark

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:28:45 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:49:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown" - Clark

>From: Wendy Connors <fadeddiscs@comcast.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:18:28 -0700
>Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown"

>>From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:19:25 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown"

>>>From: Wendy Connors <fadeddiscs@comcast.net>
>>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:17:03 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: Mr. Roberts Of The "Unknown-Unknown"

>I have no problem with skeptics. It is skeptics that hoax,
>belittle, corrupt, rewrite, falsify and muddy the waters. They
>are no longer skeptics. They are debunkers with an agenda to
>destroy millions of peoples legitimate interest in Ufology.
>Skeptics have their own Lists and websites.

Hi, Wendy,

I think that the List should be open to all points of view. I
agree with you, however, that hoaxers ought to have no part in
any discussion. I'm all in favor of tolerance, even of the
intellectually handicapped and/or the courtesy-challenged of
any persuasion. But hoaxing, I am sure most would agree, is a
line no decent investigator would cross. Exposing others' hoaxes
is, obviously, quite another thing, generating one's own an
entirely different matter.

>It is an ideological mindset that borders on fascism.

One of CSICOP's less endearing traits was its habit, since (as
far as I know) abandoned, of linking open-mindedness about
anomalies to the sort of irrationalism that leads to fascism.
Where some self-described skeptics are concerned, I would argue
that the problem is not fascism but narcissism. I certainly
don't mean every skeptic, of course, since reasonable people may
be reasonably skeptical about UFOs - just some who have
repeatedly given vent to narcissistic symptoms.

One such symptom is that since only they - the self-identified
skeptics - are manifestly rational, sane, and correct beyond any
possibility of reasonable dissent from their views, everybody
who happens to hold a different opinion - however he or she
arrived at it - is simply a mindless, dim-witted "believer" who
deserves whatever happens to him or her, including lies, hoaxes,
and other abuse.

The best solution, I've found after long, tedious immersion in
posts from these individuals, is simply to delete their self-
congratulatory burblings unread. I have a mental category I
call Life Is Too Short, and the narcissism of people who believe
they know all the answers - whether it's about UFOs or anything
else in this vexing earthly sojourn in which certainty so often
eludes the rest of us -- falls under it.

Finally, anybody who tries to put up research credentials
against yours is, as we used to say when I was a kid, cruisin'
for a bruisin'. We're all in your debt, Wendy, and your
splendid work is a constant source of wonder to me. As I return
again and again to your and Mike Hall's books, I always
experience the pleasure of learning just how much crucial new
information you have provided your serious - that is to say,
non-narcissistic - colleagues. If we're all lucky, you'll keep
it up, and the rest of us will keep being amazed and (dare I
say?) envious.

Jerry Clark