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Re: Abduction Statistics - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:50:16 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:34:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction Statistics - Velez

>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com>
>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:38:54 +0000
>Subject: Abduction Statistics [was: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby@aol.com>
>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:14:23 EST
>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:12:46 +0000
>>>Subject: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby@aol.com>
>>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:23:49 EST
>>>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
>>>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>>>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:57:02 -0500
>>>>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>>>John, it would be of interest to know religious backgrounds of
>>>>abductees. Has anyone got stats on this?

>>>I would be amazed if anyone has.

>>>From discussions on this List some time ago it would appear
>>>that abduction researchers do not even keep records of the
>>>ethnic origin of the abductees they are dealing with. Indeed, my
>>>suggestion that such information might help give an insight into
>>>the phenomenon, was treated as being very "politically

>>>It would appear that abductionists were far too polite to note
>>>such a thing, even if it was obvious from a person's appearance
>>>or name!

>>>The idea of actually asking what someone's religion is would
>>>probably give them an attack of the vapors!

>>Uh, okay. Well I would hope the demographics and what not would
>>have been collected by abductee researchers. Every detail helps
>>such as ethnicity, region, diet, religion, medical history,
>>occupations, sex, IQ, personal interests etc.

>>Do abductees in Borneo experience the same as those in Boston?

>>Is it something they ate like too much alcohol or processed
>>sugars or even worse lack of optimum nutritional diet and

>>Family structure, blood type on and on. These are mandatory
>>statistics and if aren't kept I would have to toss the data out
>>with the bath water.

>>What's even more intriguing is the stories of repeat abductees
>>or regular abductees. Has anyone put a tracking device on these
>>people? If so, what happened? They're easy to get at your local
>>veterinarian's office and catalogue. A little modification and
>>you'll know where 'Johnny Abdcutee' is 24/7.

>>There's gotta be a statistics sheet somewhere and if not, then
>>we had better put one together quick!


>Very good thinking, but the unfortunate truth is that the
>funding to do these things properly simply does not exist.


>Multiple and complex reasons that are endlessly discussed on
>this List.

Hi Dick,

You wrote:

>I have said many times that, as an "expert" abstractor/indexer
>with decades of experience, I could easily - with funding -
>create a database on all the demographic and other factors. But,
>no funding is available and I have already bankrupted myself
>doing "pro bono" work.

We need to think about formally asking CFI/Sci-Fi channel
about _funding_ such a worthy/worthwhile and necessary project.
About a year ago you, Jim Speiser, myself and a couple of others
discussed the possibility of codifying some criteria for determining
who and what qualifies as an "UFO abduction case." Something which
has still not been done after 30+ years.

A most recent example of the lack of same is Brenda Denzler's
informal survey. If the respondents were people who fit an
established set of criteria (had been screened/qualified) for
consideration, then see how much more relevant and truly
representative the findings become. The more reliable the
results/findings of such studies become, the more reliable the
speculation that is based on those findings becomes. Why, in no
time flat we may actually obtain some answers to questions that
have been floating around since day one and that we can actually
rely on.

A formal proposal needs to be drafted and submitted to CFI or
the sci-fi channel people. To whoever it is that holds the purse
strings. The creation of a set of diagnostic tools that research
people in the field can use to help them determine which UFO
abduction case is worthy of/justifies further investigation, and
which cases/reports do not, would go a long way toward purifying
the foundation, the source of information that can later be used
to create a database of _reliable_ information.

I for one would sign on to promote the creation of that set of
diagnostic criteria. And who better to head up such a project
than a guy with over 50 years experience!

>There is no lack of a talent pool.

Not at all. Mark Rodighier from CUFOS, yourself and any number
of others I could name, (including brilliant, knowledgeable  and
genuinely open-minded people like Greg Sandow) would make a
formidable team!

A monumental task for sure. But a most worthy one nonetheless.

>Also, I want to express my unbounded admiration for my compadre
>John Velez. Although he occasionally gets emotional and perhaps
>over-reacts, who has a better right to do so? His
>articulateness and balanced commentary are invaluable in this
>disgustingly unscientific and egotistic field.

OVER-REACT? EMOTIONAL? Whatchu talkin' 'bout Wilson? I'll knock
you out for sayin' dat, man! ;)

Actually thank you. Coming from you those kind words are high
praise indeed. I am humbled by it.

>"Ufology" (the term) is a joke.

It is, but I'm not laughing very hard.

>Very little real science is being done. Scientists for the most
>part are behaving like bigots, and some non-scientists are
>behaving 'more scientifically than the scientists'. I speak as
>someone with formal university training in math, logic, and
>scientific method.

Seriously, let's submit a proposal to CFI- Sci-Fi to get you
funded to do what you do best! It's a natural. If those guys
really want to help out, to make a useful and valuable
contribution, then let em put their money where their mouth is -
and where it is needed most.

What say you? What do the Listerions think of the idea? We can
submit the proposal attached to a signed petition of support
from all of us! Hire Dick Hall to do work that has needed doing
for many years. Let's do it. I'm down.


John Velez