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Re: Trindade Material - Part III - Shough

From: Martin Shough <mshough@parcellular.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:57:04 -0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:20:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Trindade Material - Part III - Shough

>From: John Harney <magonia@harneyj.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:05:51 -0000
>Subject: Re: Trindade Material - Part III

>>From: Martin Shough <mshough@parcellular.fsnet.co.uk>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:03:50 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Trindade Material - Part III

>>>From: John Harney <magonia@harneyj.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:07:13 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: Trindade Material - Part III

>>>Look, this was not a cruise liner - it was a Brazilian Navy
>>>_training_ship_. Sailing ships (with auxiliary engines) like the
>>>Almirante Saldanha are also used by other navies. They are used
>>>to train young recruits in seamanship and _discipline_, so that
>>>they can cope with any emergencies they are likely to encounter
>>>at sea. An obvious emergency, for a naval vessel, would be the
>>>appearance of an unidentified and possibly hostile aircraft. Yet,
>>>when this happens the men on the deck of the Almirante Saldanha
>>>just panic (if we believe Barauna). This is not a trivial matter;
>>>it must be clarified if we are to take the story seriously.

>>Since the detailed disposition of the men on deck does not seem
>>to be known, might the men have been 'frantically running'
>>*towards* their various stations as a result of what you
>>describe as an emergency? In the circumstances - a first real-
>>life defensive alert for young recruits - it wouldn't be
>>surprising if this deployment were just a bit chaotic, would it?
>>The more so if there were indeed a 'flying saucer' swooping

>>Good point about the tripod, though.

>If this business about the apparent disorder on deck when the
>UFO was sighted were the only peculiar detail, then perhaps it
>wouldn't tend to make the sighting seem doubtful. But there are
>a number of other difficulties with the story, most of which
>have been steadfastly ignored, or brushed aside as unimportant,
>by the believers.
>For instance, if the film which was said to have the UFO images
>on it was so important, why was it developed under conditions
>which could easily have ruined it, as I have alreadey asked?
>Also, why were many crew members allegedly allowed to examine
>it, even before it had dried? Surely no serious photographer
>would allow this. More seriously, if the film was considered so
>important, why was Barauna allowed to take it to his private
>laboratory before it could be examined by Navy photographic

Hi John

The issue of the disorder on deck may be insignificant now, but
in your last post it was "not a trivial matter [and] must be
clarified if we are to take the story seriously". If I knew
enough about the case it may be that I'd find your other
questions answerable too; I don't know. But I think one of the
healthy lessons that sceptical investigators have taught us is
that events in real life are often a bit of a dog's breakfast
and people don't always behave just as coolly and reasonably as
one would wish - even when they're only looking at Venus. You
might counter that extraordinary claims require extraordinarily
consistent evidence. But would extraordinary consistency be a
sign of verity, or a sign of deception?

It would be an interesting exercise to take a blind sampling of
"true" stories from some section of the media and test them to
destruction for perfect psychological plausibility. I imagine
we'd find quite a lot of eyebrow-raising circumstances, unlikely
coincidences and implausible behaviour. (It would be mischievous
of me to suggest taking this sample from the pages of Fortean

Martin Shough