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Re: Alien Abductee Stress - Morton

From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:09:49 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:46:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Alien Abductee Stress - Morton


>From: William Scott Scherk <wss@uniserve.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:40:26 -0800
>Subject: Re: Alien Abductee Stress


>What I found intriguing was the range of opinion in the
>ScienCentral article.

>As you know, McNally and colleagues had earlier done some
>interesting research on three other groups: those who always
>remembered child sexual abuse; those who 'recovered' memories of
>child sexual abuse; and those who believed that they had once
>been sexually abused, but had no memories of such a thing.

>As you can imagine, Greg, there were some objections to this
>line of research. The findings that there were differences in
>several psychological measure were challenged - not least that
>differences in measures of dissociation and absorption among the
>'repressed memory' cohort could be correlated with the
>(unremembered) trauma itself:

>See:

>McNally, R. J., Clancy, S. A., Schacter, D. L., & Pitman, R. K.
>(2000). Personality profiles, dissociation, and absorption in
>women reporting repressed, recovered, or continuous memories of
>childhood sexual abuse. Journal of Consulting and Clinical
>Psychology, 68, 1033-1037.

>McNally, R. J., Clancy, S. A., & Schacter, D. L. (2001).
>Directed forgetting of trauma cues in adults reporting repressed
>or recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. Journal of
>Abnormal Psychology, 110, 151-156.

>McNally, R. J., Clancy, S. A., Schacter, D. L., & Pitman, R. K.
>(2000). Cognitive processing of trauma cues in adults reporting
>repressed, recovered, or continuous memories of childhood sexual
>abuse. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 109, 355-359.

>McNally, R. J., Metzger, L. J., Lasko, N. B., Clancy, S. A., &
>Pitman, R. K. (1998). Directed forgetting of trauma cues in
>adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse with and without
>posttraumatic stress disorder. Journal of Abnormal Psychology,
>107, 596-601.
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The research into PTSD and false memory syndrome is critical in
this day and age, medically, psychologically, and legally. And
I'm pleased that some research is being done on possible
abductees, beyond that already done by John Mack, Budd Hopkins,
and others.

The results quoted above would not be surprising for non-
abductees: "Hypnotic suggestibility, depressive symptoms, and
schizotypic features were significant predictors of false recall
and false recognition."

If I remember correctly (someone can correct me if I'm wrong),
Budd Hopkins has for years requested that the alleged abductees
he works with, submit to a psychological evaluation by a
qualified professional, and that he has repeatedly been
underwhelmed by the "normalcy" (non-schizotypic) personalities
of his subjects, except for indications that they'd undergone
some sort of trauma. In addition, he's commented on numerous
occasions as to the non-suggestibility of his subjects while
under hypnosis. Budd always tries to root out frauds, and
attempts to lead them down false paths while hypnotized. The
results are that a core of subjects, all with similar stories,
never follow the leader down those paths, and never waver in
their testimony.

The research you quote, regarding possible abductees, might be
useful in separating the wheat from the chaff in initial
interviews, but without knowing the backgrounds of those
studied, it's impossible to say.

While it's certainly possible that some people who think they
were abducted, were not abducted, and simply have other
psychological problems, the validity of alien abductions has
been proven time and time again.

And for McNally to believe that all abduction memories are
simply "false memories caused by sleep paralysis", boggles the
mind with its stupidity. His appogiatura of interpretation is
also alien to scientific thinking, in that he seems to be saying
in effect, "These abductions can't be happening, but it's
interesting that these subjects who think they were abducted
show the same PTSD reactions as if the events had actually
happened." Gosh, what a surprise.

This line of so-called reasoning reminds me of the proclamations
of some fundamentalist Christian types who say, "We know the
Universe was created 5,000 years ago, but it's amazing how
completely God has 'aged' everything to fool us into believing
it was actually created 15 billion years ago. From the red shift
of distant galaxies to the residual heat of the faked Big Bang,
he thought of everything."

Both are proceeding from the conclusion to the interpretation,
rather than vice versa, and seem to exhibit an infantile
understanding and surprising contempt for the purveyors of the
very information they seek. Neither can lay claim to the title
of "scientist" in that arena, but both could be termed
"denialists". Or perhaps "believers"...

One believes in the prosaic nature of life, while the other
believes in the literal interpretation of passages of a book
written thousands of years ago by unknown authors, whose claims
as to the age of the Universe (if such claims exist) have been
scientifically disproven - not to mention the oxymoron of
believing in a God of Truth who tells Lies about the stuff of
his own creation. In both cases, they simply believe whatever
they want to, and don't allow the evidence to get in their way.
Their arrogance, ignorance, and contempt are astounding.

What McNally should do, if he wants to contribute something to
the arena of abductee psychology is to ask Mack and Hopkins to
suggest a group of abductees with scoop marks and other physical
scars, request their participation in a study, and compare the
stress scores of these vetted abductees with average people who
claim no abductee contact. Or, as John Velez suggested, study
themselves: "I'd like to know what the research says about
people who are so convinced they are correct they are absolutely
positive that something didn't happen!" The Apollonian
injunction is particularly apt in McNally's case.

In the final analysis, scoop marks and implants, along with
unshakable, consistent testimony, always trumps psychiatric
evaluations. It takes only a handful of such cases to prove the
abduction phenomenon exists. Research into different groups of
alleged abductees, while interesting, cannot disprove the
already proven. Throwing abductees into the mix of "false memory
symptom studies" unnecessarily muddies the waters and places the
real abductees into the semi-dementia of Kookville, as the spin
of the first and last paragraphs seem to imply: "Research
suggests that, in many cases, those making the claim truly
believe it happened", and "While McNally thinks such insights
into the power of false memories has important implications on
court cases involving 'recovered memories'...".

A mind is a terrible thing - but always fascinating. Even
McNally's.

Dave Morton