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Re: Abduction Statistics - Hall

From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:26:17 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:50:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction Statistics - Hall

>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:50:16 -0500
>Subject: Re: Abduction Statistics

>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com>
>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:38:54 +0000
>>Subject: Abduction Statistics [was: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions

>>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby@aol.com>
>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:14:23 EST
>>>Subject: Re: Asking Jesus For Intervention Stops Abductions


>Hi Dick,

>You wrote:

>>I have said many times that, as an "expert" abstractor/indexer
>>with decades of experience, I could easily - with funding -
>>create a database on all the demographic and other factors. But,
>>no funding is available and I have already bankrupted myself
>>doing "pro bono" work.

>We need to think about formally asking CFI/Sci-Fi channel
>about _funding_ such a worthy/worthwhile and necessary project.
>About a year ago you, Jim Speiser, myself and a couple of others
>discussed the possibility of codifying some criteria for determining
>who and what qualifies as an "UFO abduction case." Something which
>has still not been done after 30+ years.

>A most recent example of the lack of same is Brenda Denzler's
>informal survey. If the respondents were people who fit an
>established set of criteria (had been screened/qualified) for
>consideration, then see how much more relevant and truly
>representative the findings become. The more reliable the
>results/findings of such studies become, the more reliable the
>speculation that is based on those findings becomes. Why, in no
>time flat we may actually obtain some answers to questions that
>have been floating around since day one and that we can actually
>rely on.

>A formal proposal needs to be drafted and submitted to CFI or
>the sci-fi channel people. To whoever it is that holds the purse
>strings. The creation of a set of diagnostic tools that research
>people in the field can use to help them determine which UFO
>abduction case is worthy of/justifies further investigation, and
>which cases/reports do not, would go a long way toward purifying
>the foundation, the source of information that can later be used
>to create a database of _reliable_ information.

>I for one would sign on to promote the creation of that set of
>diagnostic criteria. And who better to head up such a project
>than a guy with over 50 years experience!

>>There is no lack of a talent pool.

>Not at all. Mark Rodighier from CUFOS, yourself and any number
>of others I could name, (including brilliant, knowledgeable  and
>genuinely open-minded people like Greg Sandow) would make a
>formidable team!

>A monumental task for sure. But a most worthy one nonetheless.



I would be delighted to receive funding for developing an
abduction case database. However, a database and a set of DSM-V
diagnostic criteria are two very different things. Both are
worthy projects, and the database could help with the diagnostic

But for starters the database would have to be a "common sense"
one based on people who report abduction-like experiences (just
as people report UFO-like objects in the sky and the definition
of "UFO" is a bit loose). Just as with reported UFOs, some may
not turn out to be legitimate. Each entry in the database could
be evaluated by what "experts" we have as to completeness of
information and credibility of reporter, and assigned some kind
of weight (say, 1-5).

I don't know that the Sci-Fi Channel is into accepting grant
proposals, but I'll ask my friends at the Fund for UFO Research.
It is possible that they might be able to work out some funding
with the help of the Sci-Fi Channel.

As I envision the database, it would contain for each entry an
abstract of the case, key words/concepts, and indexing terms.
The index requires a thesaurus of terms so that everyone is on
the same page. What I could do is develop the format, the
thesaurus, and a start on the database, and a handbook for
others to use to enter additional cases in the future since it
would be an open-ended database. Scoientific databases are not
fixed and static; they continue to grow and evolve. Once set up,
the database can be searched by subscribers (if it is pay-as-
you-go) or by the public (if it is free) using the index terms.

For example, all cases in which a UFO sighting preceded the
abduction, hypnotic recall or not, location (indoors, outdoors,
in vehicle...), procedures done on abductees, physiological
aftereffects, etc., etc, all would be searchable.

I'm sure it would be a boon to everyone in the UFO field, pro,
con, or undecidied.

- Dick