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More On Corso [was: DARK MATTERS! January 17th,

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:19:16 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:03:56 -0500
Subject: More On Corso [was: DARK MATTERS! January 17th,


>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman@psln.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:20:09 -0800
>Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:58:51 -0400
>>Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004

>>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com>
>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:34:09 +0000
>>>Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004

><snip>

>>>>>>In my kindest thoughts I tend to attribute his whoppers to
>>>>>>either senility or manipulation by others.

>>>Correction: You didn't snip my last paragraph; I overlooked
>>>this. But you apparently didn't read, or comprehend, it.
>>>Translation: It suggests the possibility that he may not be a
>>>conscious liar.

>>In 1997 during the Roswell 50th anniversary celebration I had
>>an opportunity to meet with, and speak to, Col. Corso. Budd
>>Hopkins and I were enjoying breakfast in the hotel dining room
>>when Col. Corso walked in and sat down (alone) in one of the
>>adjacent booths. That is how I got to meet him.

>>Although the comment that follows is subjective, it does come
>>from someone who has spent a little time in the company of Mr.
>>Corso. Assign any weight to it that you wish.

<snip>

Hello Ed, All,

You asked:

>Please be more specific and I'll share what I've learned and
>other "thoughtful individuals" can participate and we can see
>where the discussion goes.

Greg Sandow wrote a very thoughtful and detailed post about the
inconsistencies in Corso's/Birnes book in response to a post
from Terry Colvin. As a response to your question, I would like
to simply reppost Greg's observations if I may. As you will see,
it is as concise as it can be and myself or anyone else would be
hard put to add to it, or to improve upon it. I hope this
answers your question, Ed. It is as comprehensive an answer as
exists anywhere.

Thanks Greg for your permission to use this material. ;)

______________________________________________


Philip Corso's "The Day After Roswell"

Reviewed by Greg Sandow
via Virgil Priscu <priscuv@shani.net>

Damn. I never meant to buy it. I just thought I'd sit and read
it in the bookstore, to see what it was like. But it turned out
to be more substantial, more dubious, and more just plain quirky
than I expected, so I had to have a copy.

Here's what's in it. The central UFO theme is a lot more
detailed and newer than anyone has yet suggested here. But
there's a smorgasbord of UFO references - Roswell, abductions,
the autopsy file, cattle mutilations, MJ-12 - so random and
incoherent you can easily suspect they were tossed in by someone
who didn't really know the UFO literature, to give a
manufactured story credibility.

And that's not all. Corso makes claims about non-UFO history -
the U-2 incident and the Cuban Missile Crisis - that are, shall
we say, at variance with the usual accounts. It turns out, in
fact, that even in non-UFO terms Corso is a key figure in
postwar events, and, if we factor in his alleged UFO role, he
becomes one of the most important people in the 20th century.
Though to give him credit, he's modest about his stature and in
fact says that the importance of his work hadn't even occurred
to him until he sat down to write what apparently (he's not
entirely clear about this) was originally going to be quite a
different memoir.

If I've read him correctly on this last point, of course, then
Thurmond's staff might be right when they say they originally
had an outline with nothing in it about UFOs. However, Corso
says in the book that Thurmond knew the UFO secret, so Thurmond
was going to be involved with the book whether he wrote the
foreword or not.

To discuss some of these points in greater detail:

The key to Corso's UFO information is the title of the book -
 "The Day After Roswell." This refers to something initially
quite limited, and fascinating - what happened to the crash
debris. Corso says that it initially got scattered scientific
study, some of which led to the development of the transistor.

But then it languished, until the early '60s when Corso went to
work for a foreign technology unit of the U.S. Army. His
superior asked him to look at the stuff, and suggest what might
be done with it. Corso's report (I'm leaving out all the
"supposedly"s here, to save wear and tear on my typing fingers)
led to an ingenious project, in which suggestive bits of alien
st=FD=FF=FF=FF,funneled into private-industry research projects that
were already used to getting terrestrial foreign technology, and
not asking questions about it. That is, one week they'd get
parts from a crashed Soviet jet. The next week they'd get
something alien. They wouldn't be told what either thing was.

The point here was to keep the work secret by NOT starting a
massive new project - and, by the way, to cover the tracks of
any alien-based technological developments.

This sounds plausible to me, though I'd be quick to stress I
don't have the military or intelligence background for my
assessment to mean much. One key to the plan was that security
was just as important as information. That's why a full-bore
study wasn't unleashed from the start. Corso's full story of the
aliens includes more than this - they're hostile, for instance,
and they're genetically-engineered creatures, optimized for
space travel. And it has a grand and glorious conclusion. After
alien technology helped create night vision equipment and
lasers, among much else, it finally helped us build particle-
beam weaponry that - when deployed as part of Reagan's Star
Wars program - not only brought the cold war to an end, but
brought about a stalemate with the aliens, whose UFOs could now
be shot down! Corso somewhat fudges the extent of his
involvement with this, since he left the army shortly after
setting the initial project in motion (though his fudging may
just be a reflection of a general carelessness that afflicts
much of the narrative). Still, if this is where his work led,
he's a hero - clearly, as the man who set us on the path of
military equality with an alien invading force, one of the great
heroes of our time.

One passing thought: We've read here that somebody traced the
development of the transistor through patents and articles in
scientific journals, and found every step accounted for, thus
suggests that the project was set up to create precisely this
impression. Besides - and here I'm speaking for myself -
 patents and journal articles don't record where engineers and
scientists get their ideas. If somebody's thinking is stimulated
by a fragment of an alien TV set, they still have to theorize
and experiment to imitate the thing - and it's those theories
and experiments that show up in published data, not the
inspiration for them.

So what about Corso's non-UFO heroism? This, friends and fellow
ufologists, is a doozy. Corso takes personal credit for U.S.
resistance to Soviet missiles in Cuba. I'm not exaggerating.

Corso says he had photographs clearly showing the missiles, and
says that he knew President Kennedy wasn't going to do anything
about it. So he leaked the information to Senator Kenneth
Keating of New York, and, most crucially, to a reporter - and
says that it was the reporter's articles that forced Kennedy to
act!

Needless to say, you can't find this in standard histories.

Keating, it's true, sounded an early alarm; that I could
document. But - while Corso is in synch with standard histories
when he says the CIA didn't believe that Soviet ICBMs were in
Cuba - the usual story depicts a steady buildup of data within
the Kennedy administration that quickly persuaded Kennedy to
act.

Corso also appears out to lunch when he reproduces quotes from
phone conversations between Eisenhower and Soviet premier
Khrushchev about the U-2 flights that eventually would wreck a
U.S.-Soviet summit meeting. Corso seems to say (again, the
sloppy tracking of details throughout the book makes this hard
to be sure about) that his source is a buddy in the KGB, and
he's correct, according to standard histories, to say that
Eisenhower was dubious about the flights, and that the USSR knew
all about them, even before they shot one down. But that
Khruschchev and Eisenhower ever talked about it before the
shooting, and even that they ever talked on the phone, is, um,
new. You won't find any reference to it in the standard Stephen
Ambrose biography of Eisenhower, or in Khrushchev's memoirs. For
what it's worth, the hot line between the White House and the
Kremlin wasn't even installed till the '60s.

There's also a hint somewhere about the CIA plotting Kennedy's
assassination. Nothing more on the subject. And everything in
the book is buried in a subtext right out of a spy novel. The
CIA (which follows Corso around Washington to see what he's up
to) is shipping secrets to the Russians. Nevertheless, an
unstated bond between the CIA and the KGB adds a touch of
stability to U.S.-Soviet relations, and Corso quite happily
makes deals with the Soviet military, which hates the KGB. On
one memorable page he even gets photocopies smuggled out of the
Soviet embassy - the point being to find out exactly what
secrets the CIA has revealed!

Thurmond? The reference to his secret knowledge is brief, and
just a bit coy. I can't find it, for the moment, and the book
has no index. But in essence it's this. Corso finds his
superior, General Arthur Trudeau, talking to Thurmond. Thurmond
says something about "them," and Corso understands that "they"
are the aliens. If that's all he has to go on, you might wonder
why he's so sure but he does state outright that Thurmond knew.

UFO data? What a mishmash. The books begins, in fact, with an
account of the Roswell crash, complete with reconstructed
dialogue. It reads like fiction - or, to give a proper UFO
antecedent, like one of Keyhoe's books, though the facts Keyhoe
alleged always checked out. Maybe to give himself an out, Corso
says he's heard many versions of the crash story, and that this
is just one of them. As we've read here, Major Jesse Marcel is
on hand at the crash site, overseeing the recovery of the body
of the craft, and the aliens. That's at variance with standard
Roswell accounts, which, as Dennis Stacy has pointed out, leave
us wondering why Marcel wasn't there, or, if he was, why he
never talked about it afterwards.

But there's more. A sentry shoots an alien that starts to move,
and there are named witnesses heretofore unknown (or at least
not listed in the indexes of the standard Roswell books). Who's
Steve Arnold? Corso says he rode shotgun on one of the staff
cars heading for the recovery site, and was the first to
disembark. Who's Roy Danzer, a plumbing subcontractor who was
fitting pipe at the base, and saw the recovery convoy arriving
with the alien bodies, one of which Danzer saw?

Corso mentions the members of MJ-12, without naming the
organization. He says the aliens have six fingers; that's from
the autopsy film. He's confusing on abductions. I've said that
much in this book isn't clear, and the abduction references go
to the front (or rear) of the pack. It's hard to tell, but Corso
does seem to state that abductions were known in the '50s and
known to be widespread in the '60s, something the UFO literature
won't support. (But when Corso might have been referring to
secret military data. Who knows?)

These UFO references are a mess, basically. Corso at least
should have noted where they fit. As in: "Yes, UFO researchers
have found these names, and say they were part of a group called
MJ-12. I never heard that name, but the group did exist, and
these were the guys who ran it." As things stand, every one of
these references seems phony, as if Corso (or his ghostwriter)
had plucked factoids from various UFO sources, to make the story
seem credible.

What WOULD make the tale believable? More facts. Backup.
Corroboration. The book, taken as a whole, is simply weird.
Suppose it's fake. Why on earth would Corso, after what appears
to have been a distinguished career, smash his reputation
for....what, money? Fame? Attention? Why would he say Thurmond
knew the secret, when that means Thurmond would certainly be
asked, and presumably would deny the whole thing?

But then suppose the story is real. Is this how a distinguished
military man spills the greatest secret in human history? By
hiring a ghostwriter to write an incoherent popular potboiler?

Wouldn't a better plan be, first, to make sure the book makes
sense, and addresses obvious problems right where they occur,
and second to call a press conference, in which supporting
evidence and maybe even a supporting witness or two would see
the light of day?

There's precious little in the book for anyone to work with.
Here and there you find a name - "Dr. Mark Johnson," for
instance, identified as an "aeronautical research scientist"
from Hughes Aircraft, whom Corso says he met at Fort Belvoir
[Virginia], and who knew the alien secret. Does this man exist?
And how did Corso emerge from this long history without a single
document? All he seems to have are some shadowy photos of UFOs,
and even these he says he can't vouch for as genuine.

But wait - there ARE documents! He mentions them in the text,
and even quotes from them. For instance, he has a private copy
of General Trudeau's apparently unpublished memoirs. He even
quotes a paragraph, in which UFOs aren't mentioned. Is that the
best he could do? What do the rest of the memoirs say? Would I
be right to suspect that UFOs aren't mentioned anywhere in them?

And then there are Corso's sharply written reports to Trudeau,
which he quotes from liberally. Could we, perhaps, see a page or
two? Can we verify that they really were written in the '60s, or
that at least they could have been? What security markings do
they bear, if any? The book doesn't tell us.

Corso also mentions his journals. Can we see them? Can we verify
their age? This is getting frustrating - unless, of course, we
simply conclude that the whole thing is bogus, and that we're
not seeing these documents because they don't exist.

Finally, there's something else. Apparently this secret wasn't
very tightly kept. The Soviets knew all about it. Even the Nazis
did - Corso thinks they'd recovered their own alien UFO, and
were on the way to learning the aliens' secrets. The ET threat
was discussed at National Security Council meetings, he also
says, was known about at high levels in all the armed services,
and was widely known (or at least rumored) in science and
private industry.

So where's the evidence for that? Stalin, Corso says, pitched a
fit when he heard about Roswell. Are there Kremlin files that
say so? And what about the hundreds or thousands of politicians,
generals, admirals, Washington insiders, scientists and
industrial magnates who knew about the aliens? Surely - if
Corso's book is true, and he's still alive after writing it -
 somebody, somewhere, is going to step forward to say that they
were there, too.

(Delightful fact! Corso's view of the aliens does not support
other alleged insiders' reports - not Bob Lazar's, with its
spacecraft fueled by element 115, or William Uhouse's (he being
Glenn Campbell's "Jarod II"), with its deal between the ETs and
our government: their technology in exchange for a steady supply
of boron. Who should we believe?)


Greg Sandow





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