From: Greg Bishop <exclmid.nul> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 09:36:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Wow! Exempt & Beta Together - Bishop >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul> >To: <ufoupdates.nul> >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:51:35 -0400 >Subject: Wow! Exempt & Beta Together >I just read Exempt from Disclosure (Collins and Doty) and then >Project Beta (Bishop). >My head is swimming. Definitely a brain-scambling event! What to believe? Whom to believe? I have a feeling that only time and some gumshoe work will tell. I have only just ordered Collins' book. Recently, I have been talking with Moore and others about these events. Some of this I wish I had known when I was writing the book. Yes, the events do go deeper than I revealed in Project Beta, but my hands were sometimes tied by requests to use their information, but not in the book. I was also under a deadline. >Are these guys crazy, or is they actually putting a hole in the >"iron (cover-up) curtain?" I hope I'M not crazy, but studying these things can drive you in that direction! >Where these books intersect (Bennewitz, Moore) there are slight >differences in the history, but the quandary come clear in both: who is telling the truth? And, if someone is, can we handle the >truth? Actually the typical reader will be in more of a quandary after reading EfD (Exempt....) because it goes far beyond PB >(Beta)..... I only wish that Collins had released his book before mine, as I could have expanded on many issues raised in Project Beta, especially since he has apparently "outed" many people who I was assured would never talk about this period. Perhaps they talked to Collins because he was a compatriot. Even Doty has opened up a bit more as of late, but of course I have to sit on and investigate his revelations, and those of others who were involved. >Here, for the first time anywhere (in publication, as far as I >know) are the names and activities of _living_ men who claim to >have first hand knowledge of AFC (alien flying craft) and alien >technology and alien bodies and... live aliens! After looking at this subject for many years and talking to a few of the principals involved, I get the feeling that the UFO subject is of great interest to many in the intel world, but the only "operational" status that is given to the subject is how it can be best used to cover up very earthly (albeit cutting-edge/ black budget ) technology. The people who instigate the "covering up" are very interested however, in where the UFO info originates in the first place, and have made many attempts to find out where this is coming from, who knows what, and what "it" is. The "UFO Working Group" (i.e. John Alexander et al) from Howard Blum's "Out There" is one organized example. These are very compartmentalized subjects. One physicist I talked to was a frequent visitor to WPAFB in the 1950s and '60s, and knew Hynek well. He said he couldn't figure it out even with all his connections. Some of the personnel from (the former) NIDS are still looking. >On the first page of the book (pg 3) the reader gets a flavor of the openness of the presentation in the lst f names associated >to the investigation as it began almost 20 years ago. Some names are recognized immediately, along with their Aviary (bird) >names: >Bill Moore >Jaime Shandara They of course have no "bird" names, as they were the ones who came up with the "Aviary" moniker. Shandera disappeared in late 1999, but is still living in the L.A. area. Before he dropped out he told me that he had seen something that convinced him that there was an alien presence on this planet and that he knew this to be true because of something he had been shown on a secret trip to either Washington or somewhere in the Southwest. I have my suspicions as to what he saw, but no cofirmation as of yet. >Two names are less well known (the book authors) >Richard Doty (Falcon stand-in) >Robert Collins (Condor) I believe Doty was also known as "Sparrow." >Three names that are known from a totally different history >(deceased): >James J.Angleton >Allen Dulles >Richard Helms Possible identites for "Falcon?" >And a name unknown to most UFO investigators: >Ernie Kellerstrauss (Hawk). >Ernie Kellerstrauss? Who ordered him, you say? He is a source >for a sizeable fraction of what is in the book. Damn. I was told he wouldn't talk. He was the man who told Moore and Shandera where to find an underground facility off base in the foothills above Albuquerque, among other things. >And then a few pages later we find: >Dale Graff (Falcon?) >Kit Green (Blue Jay) I believe that they were in the loop because they had some official capacity in monitoring the effects of the disinfo and how it was protecting the Kirtland projects, but also because they were very interested in the UFO subject and any truth that could be gleaned from assisting in or at least monitoring the project. >In the following weeks and months I expect this book to stir up >a controversy comparable to that over the Roswell case, but with a difference: now there are people who have gone public - and >some that have been 'outed' whether they want it or not - so now we will see who has the fortitude to stand behind their claims >or will collapse in the barrage of attacks that are sure to >come. We must be careful who we accuse of lying. These people may be looking for the same thing we are, but have to overcome their pasts to find out what they were using to cover up military and intel operations. Many are very good at keeping what they know a secret, while finding out what you know. If you approach them with good information (instead of suspicions and accusations) you may be rewarded with another piece of the puzzle. There are of course some who cannot change their mindset. Also, former military and intelligence people are only under oath not to reveal anything that might impinge upon national security. I think that they know the difference, and if not, are quick to check with someone about it. Some may still be involved in a coverup (wittingly or not) and we do ourselves a disservice by throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Corso, for example had a long history of intelligence and counterintelligence, but the UFO community was ready to welcome him with open arms because his first foray into the field told us all what we wanted to hear, even though I have heard of no evidence to back up his claims. When Doty was on Coast to Coast, the reaction was just the opposite, even though he too was confirming the reality of the Roswell crash as an ET event. I recently asked a prominent researcher about his opinion in light of Doty's confirmation, and he changed the subject very quickly. I don't take anyone's revelations at face value unless there is some sort of relatively reliable evidence to back it up. Take what you find and file it away. If it matches up with something else down the road, you're a step closer. Disinformation is a game with rules. The rules unfortunately dictate that there will be a lot of lies mixed with a little truth. Some of these retired agents, etc. have part of the truth (whatever that is, and it's probably not what we expect) and should not be ignored if we want to dig deeper into what a small group knows about any non-human contact. Believe it or not, I think some of them want to know the reality behind the lies as well. Greg Bishop _________________ In the midst of the cold war, the U.S. Air Force and the NSA drove a man mad and created an alien invasion! Read "PROJECT BETA: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth" from Paraview/ Pocket Books. available at your local bookstore or from Amazon.
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