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Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 15:44:20 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:28:20 -0400
Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Velez

>From: Kyle King <kyleking.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:47:41 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:38:47 -0400
>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>>From: Kyle King <kyleking.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:10:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:13:55 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico


>Hi John,

>I cannot find any reference in my post that would indicate that
>I am angry. While it certainly annoys me when someone accuses
>others of being dismissive of someone's assertions because of
>their nationality, it does not anger me in the slightest.

>What is clear from your reply is that you would choose to create
>intent in my post and thereby duck answering the questions I
>asked. A brief review of the post I was replying to reveals that
>the anger is yours...at not being taken seriously. I would agree
>that you are not taken seriously, but not because of your
>nationality. This was my very simple point.

>The rest of my post was a number of questions...not sarcastic,
>but honest questions. I assumed that you had seen other video of
>these "flotillas". Whether I was mistaken or not is now
>irrelevant since my questions are cast aside in the glare of
>your imagined rancor on my part. You really think I took your
>post as being directed at me personally? I may be paranoid, but
>I'm not that paranoid. I just wanted some answers. Of course,
>It'd be a miracle if you actually read this post, since two in a
>row would tend to discount your comment about typically deleting
>my posts. My loss.

>As you have provided no evidence to support your views, and in
>light of Yturria's reasoned assertion that the objects remain a
>complete enigma, I choose to disagree with your assessment of
>American's reaction to UFO reports from Mexico, and of your
>thinly veiled assertion that anyone who doesn't take them
>seriously will be missing out on something big.

>I would honestly like to see more video of these objects, since
>that is apparently all we will have to work with in attempting
>to determine what they are. I still think balloons are the
>simplest answer until something more compelling comes along.
>UFOs from outer space is a ways away, in my opinion.

Hello Kyle,

From what I've seen, you're just another Internet UFO
'hobbyist.' A ufological groupie who loves to sit at home
pontificating on cases, individuals, and a subject, that you
know little or nothing about. You sound off regularly on cases
you have never investigated, about witnesses you have never met
or interviewed, and if I'm not mistaken you are not a
'legitimate' research person by any definition of the term.

Yet oddly, you seem to think you're entitled to demand answers
from me or anybody else, based solely on the fact that you've
had some of your 'unqualified' personal opinions posts published
here on this List. Unless you've presented some impressive
credentials that I may have missed along the way you have a lot
of crust 'demanding' anything from a witness.

Kyle, "arm-chair critics" such as yourself who are not qualified
to comment on anything, much less UFO reports/cases, are a dime
a dozen on the Internet. I honestly can't begin to fathom who
you think you are that you can demand answers/responses from me
or any other witness regardless of how you ask.

Don't flatter yourself, Kyle. I am not "ducking" your questions.
I simply don't have to dignify them (and the attitude you
display when you ask them,) with a response. You have a lot to

Check it out:

If you had done a modicum of homework, you'd know that many
years before you graced the UpDates List with your omniscience
regarding UFOs, the Mexican videos, along with my videos and
those of Tom King, Bill Hamilton and many others, were looked
at, discussed, and many pertinent questions regarding the
material was asked and answered. And by _legitimate_, trained
field investigators and research people.


Because you just happened to arrive on the scene, and think
you're questions are so original that they have never been asked
or dealt with before, does not obligate me (or anybody else) to
re-hash it all just because you demand/expect it.

Hit the archives newbie! Do some real research _before_ you
demand answers of anyone. Qualify yourself before you quiz
witnesses. I still don't know why I should even be wasting my
time talking to you. Who are you anyway? Point me to your books
or research on the subject of UFOs that qualifies you to demand
answers/anything from me.

Guess what, Kyle, bottom line; I don't have to respond to anyone
who displays an attitude when addressing to me. Especially
someone like yourself who doesn't know me or who even bothers to
show a modicum of respect when asking questions. Has the word
'Please' ever been introduced into your vocabulary?

Other than to offer the questionable fruits of your own
_unqualified_ arm-chair analysis, I really don't know what it is
that qualifies you have to pontificate the way you do about UFO
cases and witnesses. Being 'intrigued' or 'interested' in the
subject does not make you a researcher. Frankly I have much
better things to do with my time than to spend it verbally
rolling around on the floor with an arm-chair expert like
yourself. I don't feel any compelling need to re-hash material
that has already been covered - repeatedly.

Go study the archives, man. We've covered all this off at least
five times since I joined this List nine years ago. It seems
like every time a new kid comes on the block we are somehow
obligated to re-hash everything for their benefit. Sorry, It
just doesn't work that way. You have some responsibility (as the
new guy) to hit the Archive and determine if the questions you
are about to ask have already been dealt with. If not, then fire

But do some homework first. Don't hold your breath looking for
any further responses from me. If Jim Deardorff and others wish
to take the time to debate with you, they have my blessing and
more power to them.

Me, I've got bigger fish to fry.


John Velez

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