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Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction

From: Peter Rogerson <progerson.nul>
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 21:50:15 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:31:24 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:26:21 -0500
>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

>>From: Peter Rogerson <progerson.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:19:27 +0100
>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:34:53 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

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>Patient and gentle Listfolk:

>>>To appreciate how little prepared ufologists were for the modern
>>>abduction phenomenon, one has only to read Walt Webb's report to
>>>NICAP of his initial investigation of the Hill CE3 (not
>>>suspected to be an abduction then). He overlooks significant
>>>parts of the testimony and rationalizes away portions that would
>>>later be seen as seminal. The Hill episode was something so new
>>>and novel that ufologists failed to recognize it for what it
>>>signified till years later.

>>>It is important to turn to primary sources whenever possible.
>>>There, while doing historical research for my encyclopedia in
>>>the 1990s, I found the occasional intriguing but overlooked and
>>>not-understood reference to things that sound much like missing
>>>time that is central to the Hill case and, of course, to many
>>>others that would occur in its wake. The Hills presented even
>>>the most sophisticated ufologists -- and Webb certainly can be
>>>so described -- with aspects of the UFO phenomenon for which
>>>they had no preparation. That's one reason, maybe _the_ reason,
>>>it remains so important in the history of ufology.

>>The reason that the missing time didn't feature in Walter Webb's
>>report is that it didn't become a prominent feature of the story
>>until (at least according to John Fuller on pp62ff of the Dell
>>ed of Interrupted Journey) it was suggested to the Hllls by,
>>guess who, Hohman, Jackson and a Major Macdonald. H and J seem
>>to think that ufos were piloted by anti social teenagers who
>>went around stealing things from cars.

>Webb encountered hints of missing time but didn't recognize them
>because the concept didn't exist in the knowledge base or
>experience of ufologists of the period, though as I have pointed
>out elsewhere hints of it were expressed in pre-Hill UFO cases
>(reported at the time, I stress, and not simply in post-Hill
>retrospective testimony) but were recognized as such by exactly
>nobody.

>This is what Walt Webb, whose response is understandable given
>the state of knowledge (nonexistence) of such things in 1961,
>wrote in his initial report to NICAP, at a time when the Hill
>case was thought to be a more or less "conventional" CE3:

>"In his conversation with me (and with his wife since the
>sighting) a mental block occurred when [Barney Hill] mentioned
>the 'leader' peering out the window at him. Mr. Hill believes he
>saw something he doesn't want to remember. He claimed he was not
>close enough to see any facial characteristics on the figures,
>although at another time he referred to one of them looking over
>his shoulder and grinning and to the leader's expressionless
>face. However, it is my view that the observer's blackout is not
>of any great significance. I think the whole experience was so
>improbable and fantastic to witness -- along with the very real
>fear of being captured adding to imagined fears -- that his mind
>finally refused to believe what his eyes were perceiving and a
>mental block resulted."

>As these remarks indicate, the Hills recounted what would later
>be called "missing time" (and Webb calls "mental block" and
>"blockout") from the beginning, and they needed nobody to plant
>the concept in their heads. Their first account of it to an
>investigator was to somebody who actively rejected it. Webb's
>observations also underscore just how naive even the most
>informed ufologists of the period were about the phenomenon.

>Interesting that instead of trying to incorporate missing time
>into an ostensibly conventional theory of the Hill experience,
>debunkers try to deny its very occurrence. Strange are their
>ways, I guess.


But this paragraph by Webb is clearly not referring to the 2
missing hours but to some kind of momentary mental block. The
missing two hours comes from the journey taking two hours longer
than it had done in the past. This could be due to any number of
reasons, driving slower than before, stopping for longer than
they thought they had, getting lost in the panic and confusion,
or falling asleep at some point.

Of course if anyone had actually done a proper site
investigation, including getting the Hills the run with journey
with them in similar conditions, some of these puzzles might
have been solved. I wonder how many ufologists would consider a
6 page report impressive today, when many case reports are 10 or
20 times than length.

It's hard to remember back damn near 40 years, but I don't
recall as a teenage ufo buff finding this story so unprecedented
even though I didn't encounter the AVB case till 1967. The
literature around at the time prepared us for it. Far from being
treated as a wild story heading for the wpb, the Hill story got
a respectful hearing from the start, even from my ever skeptical
colleague John Harney.


Peter Rogerson




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