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Re: The NASA Moon Photos - Smith

From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:55:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Fwd Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 12:50:30 -0400
Subject: Re: The NASA Moon Photos - Smith

>From: Martin Shough <mshough.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:19:51 +0100
>Subject: Re: The NASA Moon Photos

>>From: Simon Hicks <slh.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:30:51 +0800
>>Subject: The NASA Moon Photos

Thi is a resend of the reply which did not make it through.
Enjoy! Its good for the record plus has some nice historical

>>Source: Palyne 'PJ' Gaenir's Fire Docs Collections

>>The NASA Moon Photos
>>My Story Of Dealing With NASA In The 1970's
>>by Vito Saccheri

>>Leonard had mentioned that the photos were
>>numbered sequentially by the cameras. He also had mentioned
>>that each time the on-board computer analyzing a photo picked
>>up an anomaly, it triggered a sequence of additional photos
>>that zoomed in on the target closer and closer.

>Real-time image analysis, "anomaly" detection, and autonomous
>decision-making by "on-board computer"? In the 1970s? I'd like
>to hear what James Smith has to say about that!

The book this guy was talking about was full of Lunar Orbiter
images. There were five such missions to help figure out nice
Apollo landing sites. This occurred during the 1966-67 time
frame. Anyway, NASA Langley was in charge of the mission and
this explains the reason why the image numbering was related to
the "Langley, Virginia" region the witness wrote about. Brad
Sparks was right and the witness blithely misunderstood the
location and infers some sort of secrecy was involved . Well, it
spiced up the story!

The interesting part of the Lunar Orbiter spacecraft was that it
used a imaging system (developed by Kodak) which was an
UNCLASSIFIED version of the CORONA system used in spy work done
by National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) in Virginia.

The resolution was indeed good (~1 meter). With 610 mm and 80mm
lenses and 70 mm film. The film was developed onboard using a
Kodak method. It took pictures on the film with both lenses at
the same time. But it has to be understood that the camera on
the vehicle was orbiting the Moon (did not return with its film)
and was taking film images and scanning them in and sending them
in a signal which was then processed back into film on the

There has been mention elsewhere ("Spaceflight Revolution: NASA
Langley From Sputnik to Apollo") that NASA did not get to look
in the "imaging box". This is odd because there are a number of
documents showing how the "box" works as well as pictures and
diagrams and detailed descriptions of processes. What the
reference meant was that the original CLASSIFIED camera/imaging
box, used in EARTH orbit, was such that no NASA person was
allowed to look in it. But NASA actually was able to get Kodak
to develop a NONCLASSIFIED device (by going through the right
military channels) for the Lunar Orbiter missions. So, NASA was
able to look into the device they flew.

>Witness statement:
>"He (Roger) also had mentioned that
>each time the on-board computer analyzing a photo picked up
>an anomaly, it triggered a sequence of additional photos that
>zoomed in on the target closer and closer. "

There was no such device. There were only two fixed lenses. How
can you zoom?

The spacecraft photo subsystem was designed to provide the
capability of automatically performing definite sequences of
events, including film exposure, film processing and drying,
film transportation, and photo data readout. Each of these
automatic sequences was initiated and controlled by a series of
commands originating at the Space Flight Operations Facility (on

Sure the orbiter had a computer (enough RAM to hold a whopping
128- 21 bit words!). Problems with picture quality were fixed
with Earth sent commands AFTER the images had been sent and
developed back at Earth.

The on-board imaging system was complicated in that it had to
adjust the camera tracking to deal with the fast pass at the
bottom of the orbit where all the pictures were taken at. This
was called tracking error and they used a velocity/height sensor
(an optical system)to adjust for this. It was a fairly
sophisticated/complicated method for doing this that did not
always work (RFI problems). It was an image tracker which
scanned a portion of the image formed by the 24-inch lens and
compared circular scans to measure the rate and direction of
image motion. The direction information was used to control the
spacecraft yaw attitude and the rate information was supplied to
the image motion compensation servomechanism (movable platen)
and to the exposure interval controller.

The primary imaging noise problems were due to the film and the
communication system although there were others.

>"The clarity and resolution were unlike that of anything I
>had seen before or since, and I shudder to think that this
>was only the beginnings of the spy-in-the-sky technology that
>has evolved since then. "

The Apollo spacecraft took high resolution film images (1-2
meters) which were brought back to Earth and did not lose
quality in digitizing, transmission and regeneration on Earth as
the Lunar Orbiter ones did.

>"She explained that the space program had developed many
>technologies which at the time had not been declassified or
>adapted for commercial use.

Declassified? More likely that they were not authorized for
commercial use yet.

>One of these new developments -
>unknown to the general public - was instant replay video,
>which would become common later. But in 1969 and 70, only a
>handful of people were aware of it.

Yes. Fine.

>Thus, NASA could switch the Mission
>Control picture to a live broadcast of a news reporter
>standing next to a full-scale mockup, and while a viewer's
>attention was diverted, the real stuff was happening behind
>the scenes."

Oh Jeez! Yes, real time conspiracy stuff! Keep the finger to the
button waiting for the UFO to show up or the glass lunar domes
to appear in a picture - how about an obelisk? Come on!

>"When I met moon photo researcher Marvin Czarnik in 1995, I
>learned that he had helped develop some of the systems
>used at NASA. Besides the length of time of instant replay, he
>knew that code words like "Alpha" and "Bravo' referred to
>special switching stations around the country that "switch"
>broadcast reception away from Houston and Mission Control
>directly to CIA headquarters in Langley. This was my missing
>puzzle piece. I knew then for certain who it was that had the
>master list of photographs."

What a joke! The "witness" was deducing that NASA Langley was
CIA at Langley (like Sparks said). NASA Langley was responsible
for the Lunar Orbiter so THEY controlled the list. This
switching crap is more confusion from someone who wants to be

>"In 1980, another puzzle piece fell into place. A friend had
>shown me a special congressional subcommittee report on moon
>rocks brought back by the astronauts and a feasibility study on
>colonizing the moon. The document was dated 1972 or '73 and
>concluded that moon colonization using giant plastic air bubbles
>was unrealistic and that we would need to transport air from the
>earth. The congressional report concluded that there was plenty
>of oxygen on the moon trapped in the rocks. The recommend
>solution: pulverize the rocks on a large scale with major
>excavations. The oxygen would be stored in underground
>caverns and tunnel systems and the debris from these pulverized
>rocks dumped into the existing craters.

What? It doesn't matter where you dump the debris. Why fill in
craters? To make it nice and smooth or somthing?

>Naturally, the craters
>would eventually disappear, an observation made by astronomers
>long before the first moon landings and, ironically, one that
>had initially prompted Leonard and other scientists of the 50s
>to analyze early moon photos. "


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