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Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Deardorff

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:24:41 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 12:52:16 -0400
Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Deardorff

>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:04:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:19:39 -0700
>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:35:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>You are avoiding all details of such a proposed hoax. The
>>daytime atmosphere is always turbulent, from the ground up to
>>many hundreds of feet.

>Mr. Deardorff,

>I was not aware that you were such an expert in balloons.

>I have reconsidered my position with regards to strings (sorry,
>but not based on your argument although it was clever) even
>being needed at all to allow balloons to maintain there distance
>fairly well between each other.

James, you need to reconsider your position once again.

>You assume that the "UFOs" are being filmed in a turbulent
>layer. You are correct that lower levels of atmosphere are
>somewhat turbulent. Higher up you will encounter (with some
>level of probability) uniform layers of wind going at some
>velocity with respect to the ground. Of course there is a
>turbulent boundary layer between the two, but that is quickly

>The scenario is this. Release the balloons. None need to be
>attached to each other (although a cluster of three balloons
>makes a nice "mother ship"). Each balloon goes upward, maybe
>vertically, maybe at a slight angle depending on the lower level
>wind. They _all_ will flop around, tossed by slight wind
>currents, but they keep going upward. They go up until they hit
>the uniform wind layer. As they insert into the wind layer,
>their overall velocity is overwhelmingly dominated by the wind,
>thus they a lose most of the turbulent levocities imparted prior
>to insertion into this layer. As each balloon is inserted into
>this layer, it is carried at the same velocity. It may even
>still be going up, but the "rapid" velocity in the horizontal
>direction is the most noticeable.

>The result is a collection of balloons that all seem to be going
>in the same direction and keep their spacing fairly well.

>All your comments of turbulence and wind shear are fine for low
>level balloons, but once they reach the wind layer I am
>referring to, it applies only minimally.

James, it's nice that you got rid of all those strings you had
previously postulated. You are now assuming that:

(a) The hypothesized balloons, now buoyant, have risen above the
planetary boundary layer (PBL), where small-scale turbulence is
lacking. This implies either a shallow PBL extending only a very
few hundred feet above the ground, or rather large balloons or
both, such that the video shows the orbs in good individual
resolution and at the same time over a large expanse of some 80
"balloon" diameters in width. Possible.

(b) The hypothesized balloons continue to rise, but do so all at
the same rate so that their rising motion is not noticeable in a
video that tracks them. This is now your key problem. Their
rates of rise would all vary a few percent from each other at
least, due to their slightly different volumes of inflation. If
rising on the average at 8 ft/sec., some would be rising at a
speed nearer 7.5 ft/sec., e.g., others at 8.5 ft/sec. Over a
minute's time, their vertical displacements would have randomly
changed relative positions by some 30 feet or more -- by many
balloon diameters. Nothing like that shows up on the video.
Hence the witnesses could remark that the objects didn't behave
like balloons.

So as a believer in the balloon hypothesis, your task is now
simpler. Without having to resort to a multitude of strings
between balloons, and without worrying how to get no-lift
balloons up several hundred feet, all you need do now is inflate
and release several hundred buoyant balloons, video-tape them,
and show the results of a one-minute video of them. No photo-
shop artistry allowed! Or, perhaps you should assume further
that the video camera was aimed directly overhead.


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