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Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:54:15 -0300
Fwd Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:50:21 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction


>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:41:11 -0700
>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction

>>From: Nigel Watson <valis23a.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 04:45:32 EDT
>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:13:13 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

<snip>

>>>To refine the point, logic tells us that if mentally well
>>>persons can undergo vivid, lifelike experiences which are
>>>actually just reruns of SF stories, that ought to be easily
>>>documentable. The most susceptible would be hard-core SF fans,
>>>those who spend a portion of every day of their waking lives
>>>reading, writing, viewing, or thinking about SF (not a
>>>description of the Hills, of course). Is there any evidence in
>>>the clinical literature that SF enthusiasts who are not
>>>mentally ill fall victim to extraordinary SF-based hallucinations
>>>which they confuse with event-level experience? Didn't think
>>>so.

>>Philip K. Dick for one.

>Case closed. Therefore the Hills must have suffered SF-based
>hallucinations which they confused with real events.

>>Being rude and pompous is no replacement for reasoned
>>argument.

<snip>

>Where's the reasoned argument from Nigel Watson? All I see are
>the usual, hand-waving, untestable arguments that the Hills
>_must_ have been influenced by the SF literature/movies and
>somehow confabulated the whole thing.

<snip>

>The point is the Hill map does constitute "objective, empirical
>evidence" that can be analyzed scientifically. While the map
>does not definitively prove the Hill abduction occurred, as one
>section of the Astronomy magazine noted, "not everything can be
>written off as coincidence or hallucination." Not even the
>skeptics in the Astronomy magazine issue suggested that the Hill
>map was inspired by Betty Hill watching Sci Fi movies.


Right on David.

Not much to be added to that fine summary but that the correct
distance data to some of the stars wasn't known until after
Marjorie Fish started her work, so that nobody doing what she
did as described in The Zeta Reticuli Incident by Astronomy
magazine Editor Terence Dickinson ($5 @ for a few copies still
available UFORI, POB 958, Houlton, ME 04730-0958) could have
correctly identified the map stars before the Hill experience.An
earlier article in SAGA Magazine by myself and Bobbi Ann Slate
had focused on Marjorie's fascinating work which Dr. Mitchell at
Ohio State Univ. also found to be very accurate.To the best of
my knowledge nobody before Marjorie had pointed out that Zeta 1
and Zeta 2 Reticuli are the closest to each other pair of sun-
like stars in the neighborhood.

Also it seems important to note that Betty was a social worker
and a supervisor in the Welfare Department, State of NH, and
that Barney was on the government's Civil Rights Commission.
They were both very impressive when we had a long dinner
together in Pittsburgh, PA,in  November,1968, a few months
before Barney's death. I might add that in a later discussion
with the crew at the TV station at which they were interviewed,
I found that they were also very favorably impressed.. rather
unusual for them.


Stan Friedman




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