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Re: New Mexican UFO Fleets Footage - Gevaerd

From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd.nul>
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:01:56 -0300
Fwd Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 10:22:14 -0400
Subject: Re: New Mexican UFO Fleets Footage - Gevaerd

>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:12:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Subject: Re: New Mexican UFO Fleets Footage

>>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:25:27 -0300
>>Subject: Re: New Mexican UFO Fleets Footage

>>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:03:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>>Subject: Re: New Mexican UFO Fleets Footage

>>>I am afraid that you and your fellow Mexican UFO
>>>esearchers are being made fools of with sometimes
>>>sophisticated and complex balloon releases.

>>>If I saw complex fast movement, circling, darting,
>>>then I would be more inclined to put the UFO
>>>moniker on these videos.

>>I am afraid it is not that simple, James.

>>I have watched quite carefully the videos and read a few
>>reports and witness's accounts of the "flotillas", and I am
>>inclined to believe that _some_ of them definitely have
>>no easy explanation. If any. They simply defy logic in
>>all terms.

>Okay. You say some of them, then you say maybe _none_ of them
>have an easy explanation. Exactly which videos do you think have
>an easy explanation?

>>Sure, I certainly agree with the fact that there are
>>involuntary misunderstandings of some images, that
>>ended up included as genuine flotillas, and some
>>voluntary hoaxs, perpetrated by people taking advantage
>>of the situation. It is a natural thing.

>I would first find out who is the author of each of the videos
>and examine this person's reputation and credibility. Was the
>author asked to film the video by someone else? Was the object
>pointed out by someone else for the author to film?

>>However, to simply rule all the flotillas as either hoaxes
>>or genuine UFO fleets is a big mistake. Each case has to
>>be analyzed separatelly, to start with. Then, take the
>>ones which defy explanation and analyze them as group,
>>observing and registering their common behavior, shapes,
>>sizes, flight patterns etc.

>If you wish to devote you time to this, fine. No one is stopping
>you. We all have different filters. The problem is that there is
>alot of sensationalism and hype which, although it may play well
>on Telemundo, would not be respectible in a scientific journal.

You bet we have different filters, James. For instance, you seem
to have a preconceived idea of just whatever comes south of the
border. The way you mention Telemundo and other Latin media is a
proof of that. I, on other have, have no problem in seeing good
material shown in bad program, in any country, as long as I get
to take a very close look at them after. Here in Brazil we have
great cases found first by the worst kind of media there is, and
then, when we have the chance to talk to the experiencers and
witness, we do our job. And, of course, apply our filters.

>If you want to make money, then by all means distribute UFO
>fleet videos or UFO hieroglyphics videos. If you want to explain
>it, then hunker down and do the legwork and make sure you got
>all the data you can to verify the video before placing your
>reputation on it. But then, what sells to audiences of people
>who want to believe (and perhaps take national pride in) is
>UFOs, not analysis of UFOs.

On the contrary, James. Neither Jaime Maussan, nor Santiago,
Daniel or I have made a cent with this new Mexican material.
Jaime isn't selling that, nor am I. On the contrary, I am having
some good expenses down here in Brazil contracting good personel
to convert, adapt and publish the material in our website
www.ufo.com.br and applying some money as well to increase the
bandwidth of it, so everyone can see that. The material has all
been shown to everyone absolutely for free. As a matter of fact,
all material in our website is entirely free. We have a team of
people working on the website and being paid to post and publish
all sorts of material entirely for free (including over 400
pages of official Brazilian UFO docs that we have managed to
get). And we get an average of 14,000 hits per day, with
consumes a lot of bandwidth. I wish you were more informed about
the details of my working before judging it.

>After the Campeche UFO video fiasco, which some people still
>stubbornly refuse to believe was oil rig burnoff flares, I would
>hope folk would have learned its better to do analysis up front.
>Ah, but it isn't the analysis that counts, is it? Its the glory
>and fame and hype!

Easy, James. Please do not generalise, as this is one of the
biggest problem of the UFO researchers. To be honest, I don=B4t
know anyone, not even the Mexican UFO researchers, questioning
that _some_ of the lights detected and registered in Campeche
are oil rig burnoff flares, maybe more than expected (or desired
by a few people). However, are _all_ of the lights detected and
registered in Campeche just oil rig burnoff flares??? I have my
questions. Filters? Maybe.

>Again, if you want to go through one video at a time, we can do
>it. But the burden is on the presentor of the video to prove it
>isn't what it appears to be, obvious balloons.

Again, you seem to be applying more filters than required. And
again, you come up to a generalization. I have seen that you
question Maussan=B4s role in all this and that you question, of
course (who wouldn=B4t?), Arturo Robles Gil past reputation. But I
am afraid that the personal questions of these individuals must
be lest behind if we intend to do a serious and impartial job.
Robles Gil wasn=B4t the only one to film the objects on April 11.
There were other people, is other locations, who do not know
each other. Are they all lying? Maybe, but we only will know if
we talk and interview them, and if we get to analyse the
circunstances of the footages. No condenm them first. Maussan,
on other hand, has not been the only one to release the
footages, and this is basically what he did: released the videos
and let researchers investigate them, let people decide what
they are. Well, you don't like Mauss=E1n and Robles, it is pretty
obvious. But they are only the messengers. And because you don't
like the message you do not need to hurt the messengers.


A. J.

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