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Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Deardorff

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:20:25 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:54:11 -0400
Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Deardorff

>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:30:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:24:41 -0700
>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:04:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>(b) The hypothesized balloons continue to rise, but do so all at
>>the same rate so that their rising motion is not noticeable in a
>>video that tracks them. This is now your key problem. Their
>>rates of rise would all vary a few percent from each other at
>>least, due to their slightly different volumes of inflation. If
>>rising on the average at 8 ft/sec., some would be rising at a
>>speed nearer 7.5 ft/sec., e.g., others at 8.5 ft/sec. Over a
>>minute's time, their vertical displacements would have randomly
>>changed relative positions by some 30 feet or more -- by many
>>balloon diameters. Nothing like that shows up on the video.
>>Hence the witnesses could remark that the objects didn't behave
>>like balloons.

>You are correct. There would be a slight difference, but I have
>not calculated the difference. I will check your calcs when I
>have time. Do you think temperature effects play a big role here
>or not?

>>So as a believer in the balloon hypothesis, your task is now
>>simpler. Without having to resort to a multitude of strings
>>between balloons, and without worrying how to get no-lift
>>balloons up several hundred feet, all you need do now is inflate
>>and release several hundred buoyant balloons, video-tape them,
>>and show the results of a one-minute video of them. No photo-
>>shop artistry allowed! Or, perhaps you should assume further
>>that the video camera was aimed directly overhead.

>I can try to use 3DMax to simulate this kind of thing,
>at least initially.

Nope. There's nothing like the real thing. And balloons are
cheap. You need to go through all the motions that a would-be
hoaxer would, tying off all 400 or so balloons, etc.

>My question is what is the field of view, camera elevation. Of
>course its hard to confirm these things without a nice Campeche
>like FLIR on screen printout. Also, does any detailed wind layer
>data exist for that area? Odd things can happen when you are
>using a high zoom, such that you don't really need to be looking

>Also, can you please tell me exactly which video you are writing
>about so we can coordinate.

One of the videos Jaime Maussan has shown, for the 8:30 AM 11
April 2005 event in Mexico City. Video #2, say, in:

Right now you need work just on the hoaxer's problem of getting
all balloons up there and in close, but random positions, and
then having them maintain those positions relative to each other
for about a minute.


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