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Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction

From: Peter Rogerson <progerson.nul>
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:43:47 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:08:08 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction

>From: Rich Reynolds <rrrgroup.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:00:44 -0500
>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

>>From: Peter Rogerson <progerson.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:44:40 +0100
>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:28:42 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear


>>The impossible level of detail is something which occurs in a
>>number of cases of apparitions/hallucinations and suggests the
>>essentially subjective nature of the experience. My impression
>>of Barney's experiences in the field is that remind me of the
>>flashbacks associated with post traumatic stress, something
>>which would definitely not have occurred to investigators in the
>>early 1960s. The imagery is essentially human, the kamikaze
>>pilot with leather jacket and scarf, the _evil Nazi officer_,
>>the threatening cop etc. Maybe this stress was helping to cause
>>his ulcer. As with many of these cases the Hill case, I suspect,
>>can only be understood in the context of the totality of their
>>lives, and the times in which they lived.

>>Missing time in general probably has several causes, ranging all
>>the way from simple inattention, through highway hypnosis, micro
>>sleep/micro rem, the complete kinds of complete disorientation
>>and hallucination reported by night travellers ( the Irish stray
>>sod for example), all the way up to dissociative episodes, fugue
>>states, epileptic and narcopletic attacks and other neurological
>>events, and surely in some cases the pills and the booze, to say
>>nothing of those made up to cover up extra marital affairs (as
>>seems to have been the case in more than one British abduction).


>The abduction phenomenon has been around for some time, 1951 in
>the 'modern' era and further back if anecdotal accounts are to
>be trusted.

>One can't dismiss the 'experiences' of people like the Hills, or
>in the UFO circle here, people like John Velez and Will Bueche.

>These are not insane people, nor hoaxers, nor persons inclined
>to add material to their experience which isn't there in the
>first place.

>When Velez and Bueche say they had an "experience," one has to
>accept that what happened to them had some tangibility.

>I don't know what "abductions" are, but Velez and Bueche have
>some idea, but most people are so quick to dismiss such accounts
>that I imagine they won't (or can't) explain it exactly to
>skeptics or persons who seem to be calling them liars, or nuts.

>Something has happened to credible and decent, intelligent
>people. We should try to find out what it was.....


Sorry but neither I nor anyone else is obliged to believe
anyone's unsupported testimony on anything. Claims actually have
to be demonstrated. Belief in other peoples claims in more
mundane situations leads to a regular procession of people
loosing their life savings every year. Something not entirely
unknown in the UFO field

My point is that subjective sense of missing time could be
caused by a variety of causes from the very mundane to the
relatively exotic, all of which would have to be eliminated
before very exotic causes are postulated.

Peter Rogerson

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