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Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:18:31 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:09:02 -0400
Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico - Lehmberg

>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:19:59 -0400
>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:20:25 -0700
>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:30:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico

>>>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:24:41 -0700
>>>>Subject: Re: More UFO Fleets Over Mexico


>>>>(b) The hypothesized balloons continue to rise, but do so all at
>>>>the same rate so that their rising motion is not noticeable in a
>>>>video that tracks them. This is now your key problem. Their


>>One of the videos Jaime Maussan has shown, for the 8:30 AM 11
>>April 2005 event in Mexico City. Video #2, say, in:

>>Right now you need work just on the hoaxer's problem of getting
>>all balloons up there and in close, but random positions, and
>>then having them maintain those positions relative to each other
>>for about a minute.

>Jim, Jim, Jim,

>Oh how you waste your time my friend. James Smith for all his
>feigned pretension of honest skepticism, is quite the opposite.
>If Smith is able to accept the sloppy 'proof' that Mr. Franz
>presented recently while demanding precision and strict
>adherence to empirical procedure from the Mexican research
>community, contrary to what his mouth says, what he actually
>does is to prematurely arrive at conclusions and apply a double
>standard to everyone else.

Damn! This puts a head on it. Let me bring over a few kliegs,
light some roman candles and light matches for all available
light so the point is appropriately hallmarked. Mr. Smith (et
al), unmasked, is at best a pelicanist prosecuting an effete
double standard of convenient pelicanist ideals. His theoretical
paradigms include switched out or sliding-scale standards
dependant on who's making the argument, not who's right in the
argument. The card carrying klasskurtxian gives the pelican
infinite slop in method, thinking, and explication, but resorts
to arguing the definitions of two-letter verbs to be when he is
squawking outside his gassy flock. Thanks for kicking over his
rock, John.

>The only thing Mr. Franz duplicated in his 'experiment to prove
>his oil-well burn off theory' was that he was 'in' an airplane.
>Other than that, he's the first one to tell you that in his
>alleged recreation of the flight he did not follow the same
>course, (in fact, he was nowhere near to where the original
>recording was made) nor did he fly at the same heading, altitude
>or speed as the original flight. (Reread the preceding sentence
>until it sinks in.)

Besides, why has this stuff never been seen before or sense?
It's like George W. scurrying into his bunker because his
intelligence machine mistook a cloud for a slow-flying kumquat.

>Yet he insists that the photos he took of Oil-well fires
>corresponds -exactly- to the ones recorded by the military FLIR
>equipment. And... that abortive effort by Franz which proves
>absolutely nothing, is good enough for Smith to champion the
>theory in public while looking down his nose at anyone who may

His nasal sightage _is_ top drawer... almost certainly regional.

>It's ordinary pre-judging, plain and simple.

Wow! Prejudice would smell as sweet by any other name.....

>Bruce Maccabee met with Jaime Maussan at the Conference that was
>held recently in Washington. They discussed (yet again) the
>possibility of getting the Mexican AF to recreate the original
>flight, using the same plane, equipment, speed, course and
>Pay close attention here Mr. Smith: You can't seem to squeeze
>this one into your melon for some reason.....

I think it's the nuts and cheese after dinner.

>Then, and only then, after the recreation/test flight, is
>performed, (if) there is any _direct_ correlation between oil
>well burn-off fires and the original FLIR recording, will you or
>anybody else be able to dismiss the FLIR recording as mere heat
>signatures recorded from oil well burn-off.

>Not before.

>Whether you like it or not.


Seems to me that there has been abundant opportunity for similar
video providing a facsimile of their guano splattered
conjectures. Yet none comes to the front. I would assume that
drug interdiction missions are being flown, still. It remains
that my PFD (Pro From Dover) finds the footage _very_ odd.

>I don't know how many times this point needs to be made before
>skepti-bunkers in sheep's clothing (with itchy trigger-fingers)
>finally chill out and wait for the Mexican military to do the
>right thing.

>Until then, people who egotistically declare cases closed/solved
>without being able to actually prove or document it, really are
>better off lurking.

>The only thing I'm surprised at is; why this test flight has not
>been performed to date. It's _the_ real sticking point. They can
>calibrate the FLIR and a fresh recording can settle once and
>for all the question of oil well fires.

>Then maybe these alleged "honest" skeptics, cough, cough,
>ahem... can put their heads together and try to explain the
>radar target UFO that did all kinds of tricks in the air, ie;
>dramatically speeding up and slowing down, as it wended its way
>toward the city of Carmen.

>Case closed? I don't think so.

>Let em all talk, Jim. Until the military makes the test flight,
>the jury will still be out in on this one. In spite of all the
>bleating coming from certain quarters. Let em squirm, protest,
>demand and prejudge all they want. In the end, the truth will

>My warmest regards to you Mr. Deardorff, stay well. Keep in
>there swinging! ;)

...And don't forget about the hookin' and the jabbin'!

alienview.nul -:|:-

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