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Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction

From: Peter Rogerson <progerson.nul>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:18:29 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:28:36 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction

>From: Rich Reynolds <rrrgroup.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:21:06 -0500
>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

>>From: Peter Rogerson <progerson.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:43:47 +0100
>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear

>>>From: Rich Reynolds <rrrgroup.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:00:44 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: UFO Couple Use Story To Spark Alien Abduction Fear


>>>One can't dismiss the 'experiences' of people like the Hills, or
>>>in the UFO circle here, people like John Velez and Will Bueche.

>>>These are not insane people, nor hoaxers, nor persons inclined
>>>to add material to their experience which isn't there in the
>>>first place.

>>>When Velez and Bueche say they had an "experience," one has to
>>>accept that what happened to them had some tangibility.


>>>Something has happened to credible and decent, intelligent
>>>people. We should try to find out what it was.....

>>Sorry but neither I nor anyone else is obliged to believe
>>anyone's unsupported testimony on anything. Claims actually have
>>to be demonstrated. Belief in other peoples claims in more
>>mundane situations leads to a regular procession of people
>>loosing their life savings every year. Something not entirely
>>unknown in the UFO field

>>My point is that subjective sense of missing time could be
>>caused by a variety of causes from the very mundane to the
>>relatively exotic, all of which would have to be eliminated
>>before very exotic causes are postulated.

>I don't diagree with you about "unsupported testimony" -
>generally anyway.

>But having heard Velez off and on and communicating with Will
>Bueche (and seeing him in TV documentaries), I think we have to
>give them the benefit of the doubt.

>These two guys, as Mrs. Hill before them, strike me as honest
>to the point that they make themselves vulnerable to attacks by
>persons (not you ) who want to dismiss alien abduction accounts
>from the get-go.

>Some abductees, like contactees before them, are suspect, but
>not Velez, Bueche, or the late Mrs. Hill. And their claims are
>intensely unique so how can one ask them to prove something
>without normal frames of reference?

I think that it is reasonable to assume that most abductees and
even contactees are people who have had experiences which they
find puzzling and anomalous, and which they express in terms of
the language and beliefs of the people they come into contact
with and the general culture. Some of both sets then fall into
the temptation of constantly elaborating on the story because
they like the attention they get. A smaller set consists of
people who live their lives as novels and really believe the
claims they make while they are telling them. Only a very small
minority are people who very consciously set out to tell lies.

All of these people can be found far outside the borders of

However I'm afraid its virtually impossible to assess the
veracity of strangers, after all how many times have you heard
the phrase _it turns out I didn't't really know him/her at all_
even when refering to intimates. To take a very extreme example,
on this side of the pond we have the awful warning of the nice,
kindly, wise old family doctor, loved and admired by many in his
home town. His name, Harold Shipman, almost certainly the worst
non-political mass murderer in modern times

Peter Rogerson

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