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Re: British National Archives UFO Research Guide -

From: Martin Shough <mshough.nul>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:46:47 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:09:15 -0400
Subject: Re: British National Archives UFO Research Guide -

>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:29:55 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: British National Archives UFO Research Guide

>>From: Martin Shough <mshough.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:44:11 +0100
>>Subject: Re: British National Archives UFO Research Guide

>>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:21:20 EDT
>>>Subject: Re: British National Archives UFO Research Guide

>>>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:27:40 +0100
>>>>Subject: British National Archives UFO Research Guide


>The big media campaign in 1950 did bring out what was until then
>top secret multinational investigations into flying saucers by
>Britian, the U.S. and Canada. These investigations can be traced
>back to 1947 and the ghost rockets of 1946 seen over much of
>Europe (and possibly further back to the alleged UFO crashes and
>recoveries of wreckage in Italy, Germany and other countries
>prior to WWII).

Hi Nick,

In Britain, a more recent memory than that of the Scandinavian
ghost rockets was the "ghost aeroplanes" of Operation Charlie
that caused some excitement in January 1947. This was on home
soil. See:


There is concrete evidence of information sharing with the US in
this case. Ruppelt mentioned these incidents and claimed they
were cited in the Estimate of the Situation.

But I'm not aware of any evidence that intelligence sharing was
very active prior to a telex dated 8 August that year from the
British Air Ministry evidently in response to a query from the US
Army Air Force. This suggests (but doesn't prove) that
cooperation with the UK was an ad hoc sort of affair within
ordinary intelligence channels when Sign was conceived. I don't
see evidence that "top secret multinational investigations into
flying saucers" cannot be traced back to the ghost rockets.

>Doing a Google search using "Tizard" and "DRB" (Canada's Defense
>Research Board which had an involvement in the investigations of
>flying saucers under its chairman, Dr. Omand M. Solandt) I found
>a paper by J.L.C. Carrier which shows that in addition to
>Britain and the U.S., Canada too was in the loop in regards to
>UFO matters from 1947 onwards.

Carrier's thesis doesn't demonstrate anything about UFO matters.
The topic is not mentioned; it is about the effect of defence
R&D expenditure on the Canadian economy. The Joint UKUSA
intelligence treaty arrangements are well known and the fact
that Tizard was a big international player in these affairs is
not a secret.

A top secret multinational investigation into flying saucers may
have developed by 1950, but if so the Flying Saucer Working
Party report in the UK is not evidence of it. You only have to
read the introductory material which defers naively to the
headline conclusions of Grudge to realise that this is far too
unsophisticated to be a product of a top secret multinational
research effort. If such an effort existed at this time you have
to conclude either that DSI/JTIC Report No 7 was a smokescreen
or that Tizard's group were outside the loop.

Martin Shough

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