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Re: Salla On Greg Bishop's Project Beta - Salla

From: Michael Salla <exopolitics.nul>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 06:19:55 -1000
Fwd Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:32:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Salla On Greg Bishop's Project Beta - Salla

>From: Josh Goldstein <lovolution.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 04:11:32 -0700
>Subject: Re: Salla On Greg Bishop's Project Beta

>>From: Michael Salla <exopolitics.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 04:36:41 -1000
>>Subject: Re: Salla On Greg Bishop's Project Beta


>Aloha Dr. Salla,

>You are relying on proven liars and frauds for "whistleblowers".

Ok, so if I and others disagree with you what then? I've
repeatedly come up with a number of reasons why we should
seriously consider whistleblower testimonies. I've argued why
whistleblowers such as Lazar, Clifford Stone, Phil Corso, etc.,
should be seriously considered. You disagree, that's fine. I
respect your right to disagree but I will continue to argue that
you are wrong, and that UFO researchers who dismiss
whistleblower testimonies concerning ETV's and EBE's are
ignoring valuable evidence. As for the idea of 'proven liars and
frauds'. Who sets the criteria for assessing whistleblower
testimonies and making these conclusions? I haven't seen
anything but a bunch of ad hoc dismissals based on little more
than the refrain of 'where's the hard evidence'? That's the
wrong question. It should be, "has the hard evidence been
tampered with, withdrawn, etc."

>I want to inform you that when the Bennewitz story first started
>to come out,  I and other researchers went to Dulce Canyon,
>interviewed Gabe Valdez, and physically searched Dulce Canyon.

>Other researchers continually combed that area for several years
>afterward. No underground facilities were ever found. I don't
>believe there has ever been any truth to an underground facility
>(let alone a mythical alien/military laboratory) existing at

I know other researchers who have reached different conclusions.
For example, Norio Harakaya visited Dulce with a Japanese film
production crew in 1990 and concluded:

I've been to Dulce with the Nippon Television Network crew and
interviewed many, many people over there and came back with the
firm conviction that something was happening around 10 to 15
years ago over there, including nightly sightings of strange
lights and appearances of military jeeps and trucks.

Regardless of the conclusions of different research teams about
Dulce, whistleblower testimonies about Dulce are primary sources
that should not have been ignored by someone conducting a
thorough study on Bennewitz and Dulce. That's why I believe
Bishop's book is flawed.

>Dr. Salla, you seem to be someone who listens but does not hear
>or understand anything told to you except wild unproven tales.

I'm listening to you and don't think you are a fool for
believing that hard evidence is necessary before we form any
conclusions about whistleblower allegations concerning ETVs,
EBEs, etc. It's just that you are using inappropriate criteria
for assessing testimonies concerning military/corporate projects
that are highly classified. The 'secret government' responsible
for ET related projects does regularly threaten and discredit
witnesses, whistleblowers, etc., and removes, alters hard
evidence, documentation, etc. These factors contextualize UFO
research and those who ignore this have not thought through how
the national security system has been set up to deal with
UFOs/ETs. We need to use whistleblower testimonies to understand
what's going on in the black world of classified projects, and
move away from generally dismissive statements such as liar,
fraud if 'hard evidence' does not pass a certain threshold as in
the case of Bob Lazar.

>You are living in fantasy land and your reputation in the UFO
>field is as low as that of your phony "whistleblowers". You are
>going nowhere with your misguided efforts. I am glad we live on
>separate islands of Hawaii.

I can say the same about you living in a fantasy land for
believing that a strict adherence to hard evidence will yield
the Rosetta stone to what is happening in the classified world
concering UFOs/ETs. You have to enter the allegorical dark
tunnel with your flashlight of discernment to discover what's
happening in the classified world. If you aren't up to the task,
then step aside and stop hindering those prepared to do so. I
would be glad to meet you if we ever run into each other on
Hawaii. You strike me as quite sincere in your quest for truth
about UFOs/ETs. Are you coming to the Dolphin and ET
Civilizations conference this June? Here's the website:


In peace,

Michael Salla

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