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Re: Heavens Above! It's A UFO! - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:52:09 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Heavens Above! It's A UFO! - Velez

>From: Martin Shough <mshough.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:06:58 +0100
>Subject: Re: Heavens Above! It's A UFO!

>>Source: Denbighshire Free Press - North Wales, U.K.


>>John says he is determined to get as much evidence as possible
>>to seek out the truth on the mystery objects which he has been
>>logging in the night sky since since March.

>>The objects change colour from red, blue, purple, green to
>>dashes of bright white.

>>John added: "It's a sphere and it pulses lights off it ... if
>>you can imagine a kaleidoscope, it's like that. I don't know
>>what they are. I see them most nights when there's no clouds,
>>you get a break in the clouds and you can see them. One night I
>>spotted 13."

>Oh my! Some people can reach a remarkable age before noticing
>the night sky for the first time.

>>The MOD has been informed of the mystery visitors to the skies
>>of Llannefydd but has yet to come up with an explanation.

>>"When I first saw them on a Friday night I called Colwyn Bay
>>police and they gave me a phone number for the Ministry of
>>Defence," John said.

>>An RAF member who called up a radar screen, failed to identify
>>the flying object gracing his monitor, he added.

>Hmm... a pound to a penny there was nothing on his monitor,
>graceful or otherwise.

>>John's last encounter with the mysterious objects came on Sunday

>>"You will have to see it to believe it," he said.

>Whoever said "If the stars should appear one night in a thousand
>years, how men would marvel and believe!" knew whereof he spoke.

Geez Martin.....

What a shameless display of smugness and arrogance. You deride
and ridicule a case you know absolutely nothing about. Had you
actually investigated this gentleman's claim and you were
reporting on your findings that would be one thing. But to
publicly ridicule and rag on a witness and a case you know
absolutely nothing about because of a purely personal bias, is
outrageous, and socially unacceptable behavior.

I know it's all the fashion to be a smart-mouthed,
wise-cracking, fast talker nowadays. I don't particularly care
for it myself. It has none of the charm or the good natured
humor, wit, and intelligence that it had in the 30's, the last
time 'fast- talking wise-guys' were in vogue. This new, modern
version is bereft of any saving graces. It is just mean, brash,
arrogant, and nothing more than a display of an ugly attitude of
imagined superiority. It just comes off as being very smug and

If you have some new data on this case or this witness, this
List is a great place to post it. If all you want to do is 'rap
your bile into an open-mic.' and show everybody what a wise-guy
you can be, this is the wrong venue. To vent your spleen on
strangers you need to start a personal BLOG. That way people can
there go read it if they care to.

Martin, if you have any sense of decency, fairness and shame at
all, you will publicly retract the tirade of ridicule you posted
in toto. Then publicly apologize to the witness in the case for
speaking out of turn.

Do the right thing Martin.

Got new data or info on a case? Bring it here to all of us.

Got a personal axe to grind? Post it to your BLOG. Nobody here
is interested in seeing witnesses and cases bashed, ridiculed
and defamed in public just for the 'sport' of it. It isn't right
or fair. This witness is not here on the List to defend himself
and his reputation from your thoughtless and insensitive public
derision and ridicule of his report.

In case you haven't been told by anyone recently... unless you
have something constructive or illuminating to offer on a case
or an individual, nobody really cares what you 'personally'
think about anything, Martin!

Get it together. Knock off the public witness bashing unless you
have some _hard_evidence_ to present along with it. I promise
you, every time you try to pull a stunt like this, where you
belittle or ridicule a case or a witness out of pure
mean-spiritedness, with nothing new or factual to back it up, I
will be right here to tap you on the shoulder with an avuncular
reminder of your manners and civility.

Be nice! If you can't be nice... be quiet.


John Velez

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