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Re: Mexican Fleet Prompts Release Of Kaufman Texas

From: Martin Shough <mshough.nul>
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:17:17 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:46:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Mexican Fleet Prompts Release Of Kaufman Texas


>From: Santiago Yturria Garza <syturria.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:30:58 +0000
>Subject: Re: Mexican Fleet Prompts Release Of Kaufman Texas Video

>>From: Martin Shough <mshough.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:32:32 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Mexican Fleet Prompts Release Of Kaufman Texas Video

>>From: Santiago Yturria Garza <syturria.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:13:00 +0000
>>Subject: Mexican Fleet Prompts Release Of Kaufman Texas Video

><snip>

>>The Mexican "UFO fleets" were strongly advocated as strange
>>because the objects supposedly kept rigid formation and _didn't_
>>mill about like birds. This led to much talk of balloons and
>>string. Now the objects in this video plainly _do_ mill about.
>>Like birds, just as the photographer says. So "same behaviour,
>>same movement"? How can that be? "Perfect synchronised
>>formation"? Not the video I'm watching.

>>What exactly are these "characteristics and parameters" you
>>studied, Santiago? What is the FOV of the camera lens? What
>>different zooms are applied here? What is the focal distance?
>>How near the lens is the tree branch? What are the individual
>>and collective angular rates of these objects? What are their
>>angular sizes? Is the camera pointing low in the sky or near the
>>zenith? Where is the sun in relation to the photographer? How do
>>these variables stack up against the possibility that this is a
>>flock of brightly reflective white birds?

>Pellicans? You need to make your own study and evaluation of
>this video, Martin, and draw your own conclusions. However if
>you haven't seen the Mexican UFO fleets video collection and
>have not made any research on the extensive Mexican database on
>this phenomena it's clear you simply don't understand what I'm
>talking about.

Oh dear Santiago

What an utterly bankrupt response! Of course I don't know what
you're talking about because you said nothing. That is why I
asked you to elaborate. And now, what is anyone to infer from
your vacant and evasive reply, but that you have absolutely
nothing to say?

Your reflex 'pelicanist' jibe is pathetic and so far of the mark
it is laughable, as a number of "real" so-called pelicanists
with whom I have had very lively and _very_detailed_ arguments
over cases that I regard as significant would tell you.

It seems to me that you have no understanding of the need to
address basic physical-optical and geometrical-optical questions
in such a case, and if you wished to send out a signal to anyone
with sense that your case for these "global UFO fleets" is empty
of science or sense then you could do no better than this.


Martin Shough




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