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Re: Review Of Mexican 'Fleet' Videos - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:04:31 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:27:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Review Of Mexican 'Fleet' Videos - Velez

>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:20:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>Subject: Re: Review Of Mexican 'Fleet' Videos

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:28:22 -0400
>>Subject: Review Of Mexican 'Fleet' Videos

>>Hopefully, you
>>will all take the time to examine the material for yourself and
>>make up your own mind. Making up your own mind is something that
>>a few other individuals do not trust you to do all on your own.
>>There are several people out there who insist on interpreting
>>the Mexican video recordings for the rest of us.

>>Don't be lazy. Do your own homework and thinking. Make up your
>>own mind.

>Yes, do not let others think for you. Do not be influenced by
>what others say they are ("alien spacecraft" or "alien object").
>Keep your mind open but don't let your brain fall out.

Hello Smith,

You expose your true colors with each an every response to me.
I'm certain if I let you talk long enough, I won't have to say
bloody thing. You'll dispatch yourself quicker and better than I
ever could! <LOL>

Mr. Smith, nowhere in any of my posts have I referred to the
objects in the Mexican videos as "alien spacecraft" or "alien

I very strongly resent your making up lies, complete
fabrications, and then attempting to attribute them to me. The
ease with which you put words into my mouth just so you can
hopefully raise the value of your own stock is pathetic. Is this
how you operate? Is this the level you deal on, Mr. Smith? Man,
I feel so sorry for you. Not much to be said for your people

If you wish to debate me or take me on in public, at least have
the courtesy of addressing something I actually said. And not
simply concocting any old crap you want to and leaving it on
my doorstep.

How dare you? Balls! What color is the sky in -your- world that
you thought I'd allow such blatant lies to stand unchallenged?
Wake up and smell the coffee Smith. I'll take you down at the
ankles each every time you try some nonsense like this with me.

>>4. The ability of the objects to remain stationary in the sky,
>>as well as in relationship to each other, (in spite of any
>>ambient wind currents) effectively eliminates 'balloons' or
>>'birds' as an explanation for the images.

>I thought I saw some movement. Well, there are so MANY "fleet"
>videos coming out and we are treating them en masse, then we can
>say some look like they are still and some are moving.

>>IMHO, summarily dismissing these unusual objects as mere 'birds'
>>and 'balloons' is intellectually lazy.

>If it looks like a duck.....

>>It is also grasping at straws for a 'ready' explanation.

>Actually, its saving time for meaningful work rather than trying
>to stop the latest "fad".

>>It takes a bit of real work to
>>actually explain the anomaly that is being recorded in the skies
>>over Mexico.

>Too bad y'all didn't done that before releasing them.

>>What is being committed to video is genuinely
>>challenging and -very- difficult to explain. More, to anyone who
>>has seen the video-clips, 'birds' and 'balloons' are an
>>obviously -wrong- and completely misleading explanation.

>Says you.

>>6. Based on some of the maneuvers the objects display in some of
>>the clips, they give the very clear impression that they are
>>under intelligent guidance/control. Their ability to maintain a
>>fixed formation and distance from one another while maneuvering
>>or hovering motionless in the sky, is evidence for intelligent

>Birds are intelligent. A wind current can make a balloon do an
>"apparent" intelligent manuever.

>Good luck to you Mr. Velez and your compatriots.

>I am sure you will get lots of hits and publicity and the public
>will eat it up! Bread and circuses.


Funny how _you're_ the one thinking in terms of "getting
attention" as being the object of it all. Is that what it's all
about for you James? Getting attention? Why did you choose that
particular motive to project on us?

You see, "we" (me and my "compatriots" as you call us,) are
trying to _raise_the_public_awareness_ about an issue we think
is important and even urgent. An issue we think everybody needs
to know about. An issue we think everybody has a right to know

You on the other hand demonstrate a genuine need to control
what others think. And as evidenced by your acidic and always
condescending and disrespectful responses to everyone connected
to this case, you have apparently suffer from a superiority
complex that allows you to talk down to others around you. See,
now that's the kind of thing that can be dealt with effectively
in psychological counselling. You really should look into it.
Nothing to be ashamed of. We all need a little help from time to

No, James. We are, none of us, (myself and my Latino
compatriots,) psychologically or emotionally damaged. We are
grown men who you should be treating with more respect.
Although, judging by your choice of motives to 'project' on us,
it strongly suggests that it is _you_ who need to look into your
'real' motives. You know, find out what your real needs are.

The sad part is, if you weren't so busy being sarcastic and
trying to belittle and demean all of us, we could actually be
communicating with each other. You need to know something Mr.

You're talking to a witness, James.

I'm not out here participating in an 'intellectual circle-jerk'
such as yourself and several of your "compatriots" indulge in.
I'm your worst nightmare, debunker. I was wide awake and alert
and accompanied by -other reputable witnesses- who have
corroborated my reports. You can spit your venom at me
personally as you do, or hurl your little insults and Mickey
Mouse 'theories' at me until hell freezes over. It won't change
a thing about a reality that you show no psychological
preparedness for.

Tend to "the log in your own eye," James. Leave us to tend to
the specks in ours. Before I have posted anything, you have
already blown it all off and accuse us of doing it for
"attention." I'm not permitted to use the kind of language 'on-
List' I'd need to describe what I think of that, and you.

Go in peace. But know this; I will not dignify another of your
nasty, condescending tirades to me on this List with any further
responses. Rant on all you want to. No skin off my nose.

I believe we're all done here Mr. Smith. You go your way and
allow me and my compatriots to go ours. I consider every moment
I spend with you a complete waste of my time. I'm not alone in
that belief. ;)

John Velez

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