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Bob Lazar Element 115 Massive Stars & Heavy Metal

From: Michael Salla <exopolitics.nul>
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 21:50:24 -1000
Fwd Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:59:39 -0400
Subject: Bob Lazar Element 115 Massive Stars & Heavy Metal

Aloha all, I want to focus on some recent scientific advances
that vindicate some of the information that Bob Lazar provided
from his alleged experiences at S4, and respond to some of his
critics. The most important criticism concerned Lazar's initial
claim in 1989 of the existence of a stable form of element 115.
The existence of such an element was initially dismissed by some
of his critics and became a factor in Lazar not being taken
seriously. For example Stanton Friedman wrote in 1997:

"There is no evidence that any 115 has been created anywhere.
Based on what we know about all other elements over #100, it
would certainly have been radioactive with a short half life,
and 500 pounds could not have been accumulated. His scheme
sounds good, but makes no real sense especially in view of how
difficult it would be to add protons to #115."


However, recently scientists were able to reproduce an isotope
of 115 in a laboratory, and said that a stable isotope is
possible. Dr Joshua Patin, one of the creators of the 115
isotope, confirmed in an interview with Linda Moulton Howe that
with sufficient technological advances, the creation of a stable
form of 115 is possible:

"[Howe:] Could there be an element 115 isotope that is solid and
can be held in the hand?

[Dr Patin:] "Some day down the road, I think so. If it's true
that we find something that is long enough lived. To hold
something in your hand, you would need a significant quantity of
these atoms. We've produced four atoms of Element 115 in a
month. It would take -- you don't have enough time in the rest of
the universe to create enough that you could hold in your hand
through these same kinds of production methods (that we are
using). That's why I say a future technology might allow us
advances in terms of how much can be produced and the target
material, maybe a better way of producing -- but somewhere down
the road, there might be a possibility, sure. See:


As to how element 115 is formed, Lazar claimed it is formed in
massive stars. In an article he wrote:

"...many single star solar systems have stars that are so large
that our Sun would appear to be a dwarf by comparison. Keeping
all this is mind, it should be obvious that a large, single star
system, binary star system, or multiple star system would have
had more of the prerequisite mass and electromagnetic energy
present during their creations. Scientists have long theorized
that there are potential combinations of protons and neutrons
which should provide stable elements with atomic numbers being
higher than any which appear on our periodic chart, though none
of these heavy elements occur naturally on earth."


Lazar's idea that element 115 is formed in stars led to more
criticism this time by astronomers and physicists that Lazar was
incorrect since stars could not produce heavy metals with atomic
numbers greater than iron (atomic number 26) in stable stars.
This criticism was raised by Dr David Morgan in 1996 whose
critique was kindly sent to me by Stanton Friedman. Dr Morgan

"[Lazar] SEEMS to be suggesting that his element 115, the alien
fuel source, which doesn't exist on the Earth, should be present
in those solar systems that were more massive at their
inception. The implication here is that a star system which
condensed out of a more massive primordial cloud should have a
greater abundance of heavier elements. This is quite incorrect.
Heavy elements - all elements heavier than iron - are not formed
during the normal life cycles of stars. The only time when these
nuclei are "cooked" is during the collapse and subsequent
explosion of supernovae. The supernova explosion then spreads
heavy elements throughout the galaxy. For this reason, the
abundances of heavy elements in any particular star system
depend NOT upon the properties of the current star, but on the
properties of the nearby stars of the PREVIOUS GENERATION!
Therefore, all of the star systems in a particular region of the
galaxy will have essentially the same abundances of heavy
elements, regardless of the mass of star. If element 115 is
STABLE, as Lazar claims it to be, then it should be created in
supernova explosions and it should exist EVERYWHERE!"


Dr Morgan's criticism of Lazar is not supported by recent
breakthroughs in understanding the formation of heavy metals in
stars. It has been discovered for example that heavy metals with
higher atomic numbers than iron (26) can and are found in stars
in their normal cycle rather than just through supernova which
was the =91old understanding'. A NASA astronomer reflecting on
this new theory answers a question concerning the existence of
heavy metals with higher atomic metals forming in massive stars
and answers: "it does not require a supernova to create elements
heavier than iron. Heavy elements can also form in the cores of
massive stars before they go supernova"


This new theory has been recently confirmed with the recent
discovery of three massive stars that have 'lead' (atomic number
82) in them: "The theory has now been supported by data from the
three binary, or "double" stars, studied by French and Belgian
astronomers using the European Southern Observatory 3.6 metre
telescope at La Silla, Chile. Each star, which is otherwise
light in metal, contains an amount of lead weighing the same as
the Moon.


The new understanding of the formation of heavy metals in stars
and discovery of large quantities of lead in some stars
basically negates Dr Morgan's criticism and shows that Lazar's
idea that some massive stars in the normal stellar cycle may
have element 115 developed in them is a very real possibility.

What are the exopolitical implications of this given Lazar's
claims that extraterrestrials use 115 for their propulsion
systems? If element 115 is naturally formed in the core of some
massive stars and element 115 is used in the propulsion system
of extraterrestrial races, then it would be fair to assume that
some extraterrestrials may have discovered how to mine stars of
their heavy elements to use as a propulsion fuel. Indeed,
extraterrestrials with sufficient knowledge in mining suns of
element 115 and other elements may be using this as part of an
interstellar trade. Indeed, such knowledge and possession of
large quantities of 115 and other elements may lead to
interstellar conflicts over certain star systems. Indeed, the
Earth's sun or nearby stars may have heavy elements that may
attract extraterrestrial races who seek to mine these precious
natural resources. We are now slowly moving to an understanding
of how certain star systems might be highly prized by
extraterrestrial races that seek to gain control and mine stars
of heavy elements such as element 115. With new advances in
physics and astronomy, Bob Lazar's information so widely
dismissed in the early 1990's appears to have more relevance
than ever.

In peace

Michael Salla

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