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Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term - Smith

From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:02:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Fwd Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:53:17 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term - Smith

>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:10:06 -0400
>Subject: Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term

>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:30:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>Subject: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term

>>Who on the List believes that the very term "Fleets" used to
>>describe the Mexican UFO videos is biased and leads the reader
>>to believe the video is of a collection of intelligently
>>controllable vehicles which may at least (though highly
>>unlikely) have origination from contemporary Earth and at most
>>derive from alien (off-world, time travelers, whatever)?

>Extra, extra! Read all about it!!! Pot calls kettle black!!!!!
> <LMAO>

I didn't think I was addressing you, Sir. But if you want to it's
your right in a free society to offer an opinion.

I thought you were just going to let me twist in the wind, Sir
John. Please just ignore me and maybe I will just give up and
go away.

>"Biased?" I'll bet your tongue burned even for just thinking
>the word.

Sorry, this does not translate well.

>Funny how you're the one who keeps using terms
>such as 'biased" and 'need for attention.'

Basically, its just logic I am using and a dictionary. If UFO
research is to be respectable (yes, that is a dream isn't it?),
lets not used biased terms.

>No, someone who was declaring an open case closed and
>who just happened to have that very solution to the case
>published in a 'skeptic's' magazine couldn't possibly be
>"biased" now, could he?

If one does analysis to back up ones conclusion then that is not
biased. Also, I did not receive _any_ detailed refutation of the
copious data I provided to reach my conclusions from _you_, Mr.
Velez. Believe me, I am open to the possibility of error in so
complex an analysis. But you offered only insults and arm
wavings. In fact, anyone who sent me comments on the Campeche
analysis were taken seriously by me to try to resolve and
improve my work. Really, I can understand why you did not bother
with a detailed refutation of my analysis, because it _is_ very
mathematical, complex. But I provide formula, derivations, data
sources, etc.

>Gimme a break man. Just who is it that you think
>you're fooling with this stuff? Ever hear the
>expression, 'as transparent as a pane of glass?'

Uh, what? I am asking a simple question. Perhaps, in Spanish
there is another meaning of the word "Fleet" that does not
translate to English. Seriously, is this the case? It is hard to
deny logically that "fleet" is a leading term that guides the
public to think these are vehicles under intelligent control as
opposed to a more open minded approach, since you have not
identified them (you call them UFOs), they could be NON-vehicles
under _non_-intelligent _non_- control. We don't know.

>Give it a rest debunker. We _all_ know where
>you stand. No need to be redundant. We 'get it'
> (and where you are coming from,) already.

Humm, debunker? That seems like you are trying to insult me.
Anyway, its just words. Anyway, by giving it a rest, you mean,
leave you alone? I wasn't addressing this new thread to you or
against you or your friends, but to the general List audience
because it would be interesting to see how they perceive this
terminology question. And it seems a fair question for true UFO

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