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Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:04:56 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:13:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term - Velez

>From: Dave Haith <visions.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:12:57 +0100
>Subject: Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term

>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:02:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Subject: Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term

>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:10:06 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term

>>>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:30:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>>>Subject: 'Fleet' Is Biased Term

>>>>Who on the List believes that the very term "Fleets" used to
>>>>describe the Mexican UFO videos is biased and leads the reader
>>>>to believe the video is of a collection of intelligently
>>>>controllable vehicles which may at least (though highly
>>>>unlikely) have origination from contemporary Earth and at most
>>>>derive from alien (off-world, time travelers, whatever)?

>My only contact with James Smith was through the Moon mission
>control room UFO account from Dayne Hatten.

Hello David, All,

*ut of respect for the List's moderator this will be my last
post to this particular thread. I felt I had to respond to this
one as it mentions my name. EBK... promise, my last word on this
one. Thank you for your indulgence.  JV

David wrote:

>All I can say, despite this barrage of insults from John Velez
>reflecting a James Smith who has crawled out from under a stone,

My treatment of Mr. Smith on this List is carefully calculated
to be the exact same "in-kind" treatment he metes out to others.
ie; Santiago Yturria, A.J. Gevaerd, Jaime Maussan, etc. Quite
frankly I became a bit tired of sitting idly by while he spins
out reams of thinly veiled insults on an almost daily basis to
anyone daring to make any claims of legitimacy for _any_ of the
Mexican cases.

The difference between my responses to Smith and Mr. Smith's
insults to everyone connected to the Mexican cases, is a matter
of simple directness and old fashioned honesty.


Mr. Smith will go out of his way to use terms that he considers
demeaning like, "true believer" in conjunction with a laundry
list of thinly veiled insults whenever he communicates with one
of us. Most especially me. He literally drips venom when he
addresses me. <eg>

He claims that because he doesn't connect my name to the word
directly, that he can 'dance' his way out of taking
responsibility for having made the insult or insinuation. In
other words, he'll talk about 'True Believers' in a post that is
addressed to me, but then he will -dishonestly- turn around and
claim that it is not me he is talking about. "Plausible
deniability." Yuppie hog-wash. Mr. Smith thinks the more make-up
you put on a pig, the more attractive it will become. He refuses
to take responsibility for what he clearly intends as hurtful or
demeaning insults.

It's a dishonest lawyer's tactic. "Say the words" in public/open
court, knowing full-well in advance that you'll be censured by
the judge. But, in the meantime, the damage is done! The jury
heard it! The word, 'murderer' or in this case (True Believer)
hangs in the air. The insult has been delivered. The part that
irks me is; he goes out of his way to 'set it up' so he doesn't
have to take any heat for his disrespect and poor treatment of

That dog won't hunt!

I will say this though, Mr. Smith doesn't seem to take it very
well when you serve him up a healthy, heaping dose of his own
medicine. Which is precisely the steady diet I have very
intentionally been keeping him on. :D

Actually, to be frank, since I came back to the List, my role
has been more one of a 'rodeo clown' than anything else. All the
bull can see is me waving my hands in his face. The cowboy is
long gone from the ring. Bulls just aren't as 'smart' as they
think they are, sometimes. <lol>

Maybe the insults and the attitude will lighten up a bit now
that he will have to answer for his own poor and disrespectful
treatment of others. No more "free-ride" on the List for our Mr.
Smith. I plan to hold up a mirror for him each and every time he
reaches for the Pomade to make himself look 'slick.'  ;)

Like Bugs Bunny once said, "He don't know me vewy well, do he?"
He, he, he.

>James approached that subject from an utterly responsible and
>non-debunking point of view.

Maybe in _that_ case, I don't know. But he has certainly made up
his mind, (well in advance of all the evidence being in) about a
group of cases and events going on in Mexico that could very
well prove to be historic in nature. 'Prejudging' anything is
never a wise idea.

Including people he doesn't know personally.

If Mr. Smith wants to be treated with respect he will just have
to learn how to give it. If Mr. Smith doesn't like being
insulted and talked down to in public, maybe he should try
knocking it off, himself.

Quid pro quo.


John Velez

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