From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:02:10 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
Fwd Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:15:03 -0400
Subject: Re: The End of SETI As We Know It? - Balaskas


>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:06:54 -0300
>Subject: Re: The End of SETI As We Know It?

>>From: Mac Tonnies <macbot.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Re: The End of SETI As We Know It?

>>>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:24:36 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
>>>Subject: Re: CI: The End of SETI As We Know It?

>><snip>

>>>Although the majority of people, including SETI scientists, talk
>>>about life beyond Earth as if it was an established fact, the
>>>sobering reality is that after all these years, we do not have
>>>more compelling evidence now than we did anytime in the past for
>>>this popular belief (with the possible exception of certain
>>>ancient historical/religious documents where our ancestors
>>>allegedly encountered intelligent beings from the heavens). This
>>>lack of compelling evidence for life beyond Earth must include
>>>the frequent accounts of strange lights in the sky and reported
>>>sightings of other such UFOs.

>>Alhough controversial, I think further evidence for ET
>>intelligence can be found in the form of tangible artifacts on
>>the surface of Mars, and quite possibly the Moon as well.

>I think there is compelling evidence in the form of eyewitness
>testimony from all over the world of clearly manufactured
>objects behaving in ways that we earthlings  can't duplicate or
>we would in military applications. I include the 3000+ physical
>trace cases from Ted Phillips from 90+ countries as well as many
>mutiple witness radar visual cases such as investigated by Dr.
>James E. Macdonald.There are the non phony photographs examined
>by Bruce Maccabee. There is also a substantial body of evidence
>related to Roswell.


Hi Stan and Mac!

Yes Stan, I agree that all this is very compelling evidence that
UFOs are "real" but it's not really compelling enough for us to
conclude with certainty that even a small number of these UFOs
are indeed ET craft built and/or piloted by intelligent beings
not from this Earth. There are other scenarios, although maybe
not as extreme or unlikely as the ET one, that could better
explain what continues to be seen and reported in our skies
which this space-age generation has overlooked. One of these is
what John Keel called "Ultraterrestrials". This would include
all highly intelligent beings or species that coexist with us on
this planet such as bees, demons or elves and dolphins, just to
mention a few possibilities.

As an example of what I mean, consider what my friend Wayne once
told me. He was hiking along the deep Pacific coast of British
Columbia while under the close scrutiny of an apparently very
curious whale. As Wayne walked along the coast the whale closely
followed, both eyeing each other all the time. My friend
wondered what was going through the whale's mind. Was the whale
wondering about how Wayne lived in this alien waterless world of
mountains and trees? Was it wondering what Wayne did to survive
and for entertainment, such as the music he played or listened
to? Then a humbling thought came to Wayne's mind. Although we
consider ourselves the only intelligent creatures on Earth who
have adapted and populated much of this planet, we hardly knew
anything about the alien water world of the whales which covers
more of our planet than land does.

>There are a number similar abduction accounts from many
>countries including physical markings on the abductees. We have
>the overwhelming evidence of government coverups in the form of
>blacked out and whited out documents. Can I provide an alien
>body or a piece of wreckage? no. Courts of law have even
>convicted people of murder with less evidence. In Texas people
>have had the death penalty based on testimony from one witness.

In Saudi Arabia where I once lived and worked, the death penalty
was applied for capital offenses only after the testimonies of
several witnesses. It is for the same reason why Allan Hynek
considered UFO sightings by multiple witnesses more interesting
and credible than single witness ones. Even scientists and other
skilled observers such as pilots and police officers can be
totally wrong in the interpretation of what they actually saw.

As for physical markings on abductees, suspected or otherwise,
dermatologists and other medical experts can provide what to me
are more rational and reasonable explanations.

>Based on my direct experience with the SETI cultists, they are
>totally unfamilar with the huge body of evidence. They, of
>course, have none that there is anybody out there or anybody
>sending signals using primitive technology compatible with our
>primitive technology.

>I can't force them to look at the evidence. Obviously if aliens
>are visiting, there is not much need for the Silly Effort To
>Investigate.

Since radio waves are produced by natural objects in space and
their detection can be used to study and understand the physics
of stars, galaxies and the gases in space between them, it is
not hard to imagine that intelligent ETs, if they do indeed
exist out there, would not use radio wave detection equipment
similar to what we have here on Earth.

Since the SETI investigators have not detected the presence of
ETs after many decades of searching our small region of the
galaxy (remembering that equipment such as the centuries old
internal combustion engines and the more recent plasma drives
also produce telltale radio waves too) and it has not yet been
established that those unexplained things or UFOs in the sky are
actually ET spacecraft, we may conclude that we are either
unique or special in the universe or we are still simply too
dumb know better - just like the whale cannot possibly even
imagine the world of man and man cannot fathom the world of the
whale even though we both share the very same planet.

As for Mac's comment that evidence for ET "intelligence" can be
found in the form of tangible artifacts on the surface of Mars,
I am not aware of these tangible artifacts which he refers to.
As for other evidence for ET "life" on Mars, we still observe
seasonal colour changes on this planet for example. These cyclic
changes were first noticed by astronomers many decades before we
visited the planet with our fleet of spacecraft from Earth.
Recent Earth based spectroscopic observations that have even
identified the presence of chlorophyll type compounds on Mars
similar to those found on plants here on Earth but are still
largely ignored by the scientific community for some reason -
 not unlike the 1976 discovery of microbial life on Mars with
equipment aboard the U.S. Viking lander that was designed to
find it if it indeed was present.


Nick Balaskas