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Re: The End of SETI As We Know It? - Friedman

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:26:01 -0300
Fwd Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:45:06 -0400
Subject: Re: The End of SETI As We Know It? - Friedman

>From: Bob Shell <bob.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:46:32 -0400
>Subject: Re: The End of SETI As We Know It?

>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:07:54 -0300
>>Subject: Re: The End of SETI As We Know It?


>>Remember the question is not what are UFOs or are all UFOs of ET
>>origin. The question is "are any?". Sure most UFOs are all sorts
>>of IFOs. I don't care about them. But manufacturered high
>>performance apparently metallic craft able to zoom up up and
>>away sound like they weren't made here.Mother ships like in the
>>Yukon case that are 0.6-1.2 miles long surely sound like they
>>weren't made here. What are these other explanations? If they
>>had been of earthly origin, they would have shown up in Vietnam
>>or Korea.

>>What are these other solutions?

>>My list of IFOs is very long.


>Even some relatively staid physicists are talking about parallel
>universes these days, and about ways we could slip through and
>communicate with beings in them. I think that has already been
>done, and that communication has been going on in both
>directions for a very long time now. But I think there is much
>more to it than that.

>Anyone who has made a study of the Western Magickal Tradition
>will at some point realize that the entities being communicated
>with by magicians are identical to our little gray "friends".
>Compare the drawings done by Aleister Crowley with those of
>abductees and contactees. Same little dudes. Same difficulties
>in understanding human concepts of time and space. Same powers
>over people.

>I'm not certain just exactly what is going on or what the
>motives are, but I am strongly convinced that these "others"
>have contacted, communicated with, abducted, experimented on,
>and otherwise had dealings with humanity since before we were
>humanity. I have seen no compelling evidence that they are
>anything other than a natural part of the multiverse that our
>universe is but one aspect of.

>And it may turn out that our present concept of parallel
>universes is just as removed from reality as an Australian
>Aborigine's view of the universe. In fact, the Abo may be closer
>than we are to understanding what is really going on behind the

>A lot of ufologists, and I suspect you are in this group, Stan,
>are looking for a nuts and bolts explanation. Something we can
>knock up against. I'm just not sure that if we ever do know the
>truth it will be something that can be squeezed into this mold.

>Do I have any answers? No. I don't presume to know what is going
>on. I think we need more of this attitude in the study of UFOs.
>I've seen one of the bloody things, and I came away with a sense
>of open-eyed wonder and an underlying terror. Most of all, a
>sense of respect for something that is far beyond my
>understanding to grasp.

If the things and beings that are being seen visually and on
radar and making physical marks, are manufactured somewhere
else, then I think it matters not at all whether they get here
warping space and time, controlling gravity from a parallel
universe, etc etc, They are by definition of extraterrestrial
(not from Earth now) origin.Our ignorance about "place" or "time
of origin" or mode of transport has nothing to do with whether
they are from somewhere else or some time else.

Stan Friedman

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