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Re: Magonia Supplement No. 56 - Clark

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:55:56 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:55:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Magonia Supplement No. 56 - Clark

>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:20:59 -0300
>Subject: Re: Magonia Supplement No. 56

>>From: John Harney <magonia.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:20:35 +0100
>>Subject: Magonia Supplement No. 56

>>Magonia Supplement No. 56 has now been published. The main item
>>is an article about the Betty and Barney Hill case, by Nigel

>A quick review of Nigel Watson's article reveals a number of
>false and misleading claims. Just to note a few in no particular

>8. Why quote John Keel about abductions or UFO crashes? He has
>never demonstrated that he has done serious investigations of
>either. In a long discussion, in some issues of FATE magazine,
>with Kevin Randle and I, Keel showed his ignorance about these
>and many other ufological matters. In one letter to me he
>managed to make 4 major false claims:

Good job, Stan.

It never ceases to amaze me how pelicanists will quote anybody
who tells them what they want to hear, even if the individual in
question is only blowing choking clouds of smoke. I realize that
the competition for the title is stiff, but John Keel, whom I
have known since the mid-1960s and whom - when I was young and
naive - I admired, has long been a serious contender for the
least credible commentator on anything ufological/Fortean. And
don't get me started on his allegations about non-anomalous

In one example I happen to know about in particular, he went
telling people that I - for whom he harbors a consuming,
longstanding visceral hatred - have never been married, live
with my mother, and have spent most of my adult life in mental

And some British pelicanists believed him!

(An even more hilarious footnote: When I wrote Keel to protest
that none of the above is remotely true, he continued to insist
that he was entirely correct in everything he said. In the
course of this bizarre exchange, it became clear that Keel was
entirely unaware that I have children.)

Ignore Keel's (admittedly pretty goofy) beliefs about UFOs. Just
consider his exceedingly casual relationship with facts and

For a searching profile of the real Keel, I immodestly recommend
my article "Keel vs. Ufology," Fortean Times 156 (March 2002):
pp. 39-42. As I wrote there:

"If Keel were a humorist like Charles Fort, rather than a
windmill- tilter like Tiffany Thayer, one could smile and shrug
it off as an ongoing, offbeat joke. No Fortean, to my knowledge,
has ever championed Fort's sky islands or Ambrose-collectors,
knowing that Fort wasn't championing them, either. But Keel is
deadly, gloomily, blusteringly, spittle-spewingly in earnest."

As far as I am concerned, anybody who cites Keel as a source for
a credible factual claim or logical argument about anything is
not someone I need to take seriously ever again.

Jerry Clark

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