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Re: John Keel Demolished - Clark

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:42:08 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:20:09 -0400
Subject: Re: John Keel Demolished - Clark

>From: Peter Rogerson <progerson.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:11:00 +0100
>Subject: John Keel Demolished [was: Magonia Supplement No. 56]

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:55:56 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Magonia Supplement No. 56

>>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:20:59 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Magonia Supplement No. 56

>>>>From: John Harney <magonia.nul>
>>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:20:35 +0100
>>>>Subject: Magonia Supplement No. 56

>>As far as I am concerned, anybody who cites Keel as a source for
>>a credible factual claim or logical argument about anything is
>>not someone I need to take seriously ever again.

>For a comprehensive demolition of John Keel see Alan W Sharp's
>article, The New Ufology, in MUFOB 4:5 December 1971. Some of us
>starry eyed believers weren't too happy about this at the time,
>but as is usually the case, the sceptics were right and us
>believers were wrong.

I believe I mentioned Sharp's article in my encyclopedia - a
good piece and an exceedingly rare instance in which a skeptic
has turned on Keel, whose over-the-top rhetoric is out of the
pelicanist handbook even if his conclusions - ordinarily treated
with tactful silence in pelicanist literature - are not.

Meantime, unfortunately for pelicanists, the historical record
fails to support the claim asserted in the last sentence of
Rogerson's posting above. Nearly all leading ufologists in this
country were critical of Keel practically from the start. Ask
Dick Hall, Stan Friedman, Lou Farish, and just about any other
figure who was around in the mid-to-late '60s when Keel came
onto the scene.

England's FSR under Bowen and Creighton championed Keel, it is
true (as did a very young, very naive Jerome Clark), but in the
U.S., Keel - whom ufologists soon knew all too well - was
generally considered, with many good reasons, an obnoxious
occultist crank. Even Jacques Vallee, who shared some broadly
similar views, kept his distance. My Fortean Times piece "Keel
vs. Ufology" (March 2002 issue), which documents a part of the
story, opens with an amusing instance in which Keel attempted to
take on a most unimpressed James McDonald.

Keel's vituperative characterizations of ufologists were
occasioned by their rejection of his strange ideas. It's fitting
that pelicanists should find wisdom and truth in Keel, though.
After all, birds of a feather flock together.

Jerry Clark

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