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Re: Memory Without Klass - Randle

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:22:15 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:56:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Memory Without Klass - Randle


>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:25:24 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: Memory Without Klass

>>From: Christopher Allan <cda.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:48:59 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Memory Without Klass

>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:45:51 -0500
>>>Subject: Memory Without Klass

>>>Ref: SDI #361...

>>>Memory Without Klass

>>>In the early 1980s, Stanton Friedman decided to immigrate to
>>>Canada from the US. Forgetting how prescient he may have been,
>>>I've heard Mr. Friedman say he did it primarily to take
>>>advantage of the superior health system.

>>>Philip Klass got wind of it, somehow, and took it upon himself
>>>to write the Canadian National Research Council a confidential
>>>letter - don't say it was ME, Oh Canada - to warn them about
>>>the undesirable element they were getting ready to allow into
>>>their country. In effect, Klass was trying to poison Mr.
>>>Friedman's Canadian well before he got there, restrict Mr.
>>>Friedman's movements, and egregiously intrude on Mr. Friedman's
>>>civil rights. The scurrilous and unrepentant _bastard_!

>>>In this just discovered letter, by Richard Dolan, Klass warned
>>>Canada with regard an "insidious threat" it faced to the
>>>security and stability of their country were they to allow
>>>Stanton Freidman, a "clutching, octopus-like snake oil salesman
>>>and uber-charlatan... a destabilizing UFO believer" (!) ... to
>>>immigrate.

>>How has this letter just surfaced, and exactly how did Richard
>>Dolan get hold of it? I must say I find it very hard to believe
>>any such letter was ever written.

>>One question: What does Stan Friedman say about it?

>>It will not surprise me in the least if fake letters and other
>>documents implicating Klass in all sorts of underhand tactics
>>suddenly appear, now that he is dead. In fact it is entirely
>>predictable. Look at Menzel & MJ-12.


>Hi Christopher!

>Richard Dolan mentioned about this letter from Philip Klass in
>his presentation at Sunday's 'Exopolitics Toronto' conference at
>the University of Toronto where Stanton Friedman, one of the
>conference speakers, was present in the audience.

>Speaking with Dolan just before his talk, I can confirm that he
>found Klass' letter to NRC's Dr. Al McNamara was found at the
>National Archives in Ottawa during Dolan's visit there this
>summer. McNamara was the scientist responsible for the "UFO
>files" after Project Magnet, one of Canada's official and
>unclassified studies on UFOs, came to an end. Project Magnet was
>headed by NcNamara's colleague, the late Dr. Peter Millman, who
>was also with NRC.

>I suspect that other Canadian researchers such as Grant Cameron,
>Chris Rutkowski, Palmiro Campagna and others (including myself)
>had seen this letter from Klass but I was surprised that
>Friedman and other researchers seemed unaware of it. This was
>not the only time that scientists, archivists, etc. had been
>"warned" in writing about certain curious UFO researchers in
>search of the truth by individuals or agencies.

Good Morning, All

This is too funny for words. Of course this is not the only time
that others have been warned, in writing, about UFO researchers.
Why, I have a letter from Stan Friedman, to my publisher,
warning them about "factual mistakes, flights of fancy, lifting
of my research much of which is unpublished." He wrote to Jim
Moseley and said, "I wrote his publisher seeking assurance
that my considerable research about crashed saucers would not be
used without credit. I had good reason for the concern."

Dick Hall didn't like all the sniping (on both sides of the
issue) and investigated the matter. The results were published
in the May/ June 1993 issue of IUR. Dick wrote, "Randle alleged
that Friedman and others [namely Bill Moore and Jaime Shandera]
apparently acting in concert, had attempted to interfere with
the publication of the book UFO Crash at Roswell by contacting
the publisher, Avon Books, making charges of plagiarism and
generally impugning Randle's character and integrity. I asked
Randle for documentation, which he provided. I asked Friedman
for an explanation, and he never replied."

Lest you believe this is just another snit between Friedman and
me, I quote from a letter dated July 25, 1989 in which an
attorney for Robert Hastings wrote to Friedman about Friedman's
attacks on Hastings. The attorney wrote, "Ms. Kumer [the
Director of Student Support Services of Central Florida
Community College] unequivocally reports that you [Friedman] had
previously informed her that Robert Hastings did not know what
he was talking about, that he did not have the 'real facts' and
that 'he was just another fraud.'"

Jim Moseley reports that while he was making the rounds of
college lectures, Friedman would often call and try to get them
to cancel his appearance and hire Friedman. When I had a
presentation scheduled in Cincinnati, he called the hosts and
asked why they had hired me and not him.

And, of course, there is his allegation in the MUFON JOURNAL in
which he accuses Don Schmitt and me of being government agents.
Jerry Clark wrote of this in July 1991, saying, "You suggest
that both Randle and Schmitt are government agents 'desperately
trying to attract attention away from the Plains [of San
Agustin] where one of the aliens was alive.'" True, in the next
paragraph you provisionally (as in 'I think') withdraw this
outrageous charge, but only after raising it, distributing it,
and planting the idea!"

So, we have Stan attacking UFO researchers, writing to their
publishers, calling those who have booked them to speak and
attempting to replace them on programs, and suggesting that they
might be government agents.

This allegation, by the way, that I'm a government agent, has
been hurled at me by others. Don Schimtt, while we still worked
together told people on at least two occasions that he believed
me to be a government agent planted on him. This strikes me as
very funny. He invited me into the investigation, then, in an
attempt to discredit me, tells others that I'm a government
agent - this while he was claiming to be my friend.

So, if Phil Klass wrote the letter, and I have no real reason to
suspect he didn't, he is in good company. Bill Moore and Jaime
Shandera spent a great deal of time and effort trying to
undermine me. Stan joined right in. And, to my surprise, so did
Don Schmitt. Is it any wonder that we have trouble with our
credibility in the real world?


KRandle




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