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Re: The Global UFO Cover-Up - Friedman

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:27:36 -0300
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:18:56 -0400
Subject: Re: The Global UFO Cover-Up - Friedman

>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:34:14 EDT
>Subject: Re: The Global UFO Cover-Up

>>From: Christopher Allan <cda.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:26:33 +0100
>>Subject: Re: The Global UFO Cover-Up

>>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:15:52 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: The Global UFO Cover-Up

>>>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:11:52 EDT
>>>>Subject: Re: The Global UFO Cover-Up


>>>But then perhaps CDA can read all the stuff under the White-out
>>>on the NSA UFO documents and the blackout in the CIA UFO
>>>documents. I can't.


>>You just cannot or will not understand that the whited out NSA
>>docs and the blacked out CIA docs do not in any way advance your
>>'Cosmic Watergate' thesis. Why should I or anyone else conclude
>>that these censored portions are evidence of ET visits to earth?


>>I do not have to read any of this censored stuff to be 99.9 per
>>cent certain that they have nothing whatever to do with
>>extraterrestrial visits, contain zilch of interest to science
>>and are merely to do with code deciphering and other boring
>>matters relating to intelligence methods the authorities want
>>to conceal.

>As I originally pointed out I can tell what is in the deleted
>portions of the NSA UFO documents. They are _not_ I repeat _not_
>intercepts of encrypted communications but "in the clear" Soviet
>military messages reporting UFO or unidentified sightings (there
>is not enough info in any of them to tell if even a single
>actual UFO was sighted). There is _no_ "code deciphering"
>involved, no "codes," just in the clear messages. NSA deleted
>the dates and locations of each incident, leaving in only the
>sketchy details of the sightings only. Dates and locations are
>what have been deleted. Got that now?

>The fact these are "clear text" messages (and possibly radio
>voice transcripts though I doubt it from the way the messages
>are worded) that are _not_ encrypted means they are low-level
>relatively unimportant messages. If they had been important
>messages the Soviets and Soviet bloc countries would have sent
>them with some form of encryption, the level of encryption
>indicating importance and sensitiveness. Not a single one of the
>NSA UFO-sighting report intercepts seems to have been encrypted
>by the Soviet bloc senders (possibly some messages are Chinese).

>This indicates to me that the NSA has a huge collection of
>_encrypted_ UFO sighting reports it has intercepted from a
>variety of countries around the world including our own allies,
>plus "in the clear" UFO reports intercepted from our allies
>(which NSA does not want to tip off that we are intercepting
>them), all of which the NSA has never even searched for. There
>are probably thousands of such intercepts.

>Now if some country, say Russia, had captured an ET spaceship,
>any messages sent concerning it would be of the highest level of
>security classification requiring the greatest level of crypto
>security, like one-time-pad type encryption multiply applied.
>These messages the NSA would not be able to "break." The NSA
>would not then have any intercepted messages telling of a
>recovery of an ET spaceship, even if such an event occurred,
>because NSA would not be able to read them to know what they
>reported. NSA has warehouses full of unbreakable messages.

I don't disagree with Brad's views about uncrypted messages.
Clearly, however, he is in error in saying that all that has
been deleted is dates and locations. Better than 90% of each of
the 156 NSA UFO documents has been whited out. Surely that is
not all dates and locations, or sources and methods info as

Furthermore, we must take note of the fact that the CIA found
only 18 NSA UFO documents which they listed by dates only in
their list of 57 other agency documents provided to CAUS. The
NSA found almost 9 times as many (156).

In addition they found 23 CIA UFO documents which the CIA had
supposedly not found.

It took me 2 years to get 9 of these which were press abstracts
of Eastern European Newspaper articles about UFOs which the
Soviets had the day they were published. It took me three more
years upon appeal to get 4 highly redacted CIA UFO documents
from this batch.The rest were withheld.In short, don't trust NSA
and CIA to talk to each other, or to be truthful about what they

Similarly the FBI initially denied having a file on me even
though they had done three security clearances on me and later
admitted (after I sent a response from the CIA giving an FBI
file number and the fact that the FBI had made a negative name
check request on me) that they had a file on me which was
classified and whose size and classification were also

Stan Friedman

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