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Re: Gill Sighting - Rudiak

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:25 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:11:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Gill Sighting - Rudiak 

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:23:13 -0500
>Subject: Re: Gill Sighting

>>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:15:29 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Gill Sighting

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:35:24 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Gill Sighting

>>>And it is equally reasonable to conclude that this articulate,
>>>non- UFO-book reader drew the term from his knowledge of
>>>nautical terminology, with which he was presumably familiar as
>>>both Brit and resident of an island in the South Pacific. There
>>>is no "very likely" connection between Adamski and Gill in their
>>>use of "mothership."

>>This is pretty feeble stuff.

>>I doubt that a Church of England clergyman would be overly
>>familiar with a fairly specialised piece of maritime jargon,
>>used almost entirely in the Royal Navy. I see no reason why Gill
>>should be assumed to have any detailed knowledge of submarines,
>>naval supply ships, etc.

>"Mothership" came into the discussion only because Klass used it
>to try to discredit Gill as a UFO-obsessive who could only have
>gotten the phrase from Adamski. Got that now? My point was
>simply that this is hardly necessarily true and almost certainly
>untrue. Got that? Klass clearly believed, hilariously, that
>"mothership" did not exist in the vocabulary of English-speaking
>people who had not read Adamski. If Gill used it, it betrayed
>his immersion in, or at least keen awareness of, the most
>extreme saucer beliefs. In fact, Gill had little interest in
>UFOs. Got that? Can we drop this now?

>Significantly, when asked about his use of the term, Gill, who
>is the ultimate authority here, replied thus: "Well, it seemed
>as though it was a 'mother' with her 'children.' Just a sort of
>feeling. The use of the term 'ship' is natural because of the
>superstructure, see; it reminds you of a ship. I could have even
>called it a 'launch.' It gave the impression of a 'mother
>chicken'" (IUR, November 1977, p. 6). Allan Hendry then asked if
>"that was your own choice of words, then, rather than something
>you'd read before." Gill responded, "That's right." Note, by the
>way, the nautical terms in Gill's vocabulary. In short:

>(1) "Mothership" existed in English in a non-UFO context prior
>to Adamski and could have been used by Gill

>(2) Gill himself says that the term seemed a logical one to
>employ in context and did not allude to "something [he'd] read

>(3) Gill did not say that his observation brought to mind a neat
>phrase he'd encountered in UFO literature or popular saucer

>(4) Gill was bright, articulate, and creative enough to speak in
>his own words and draw his own analogies.

Jerry and List,

In another post I mentioned a July 1947 story of a woman in
southern California using "mothership." It was working from
memory. I pulled my files and found the actual story. The woman
doesn't exactly say "mothership", but she does refer to the
primary object as the "mama disc" and the smaller objects as
"baby discs." Here's the actual story:


Santa Barbara News-Press, July 7, 1947

'Mama' Disc With Brood Reported

LANCASTER, July 7, (INS)--At least the "flying saucers" stories
don't get boring.

Today motherhood came to the mysterious discs.

The sheriff's office at Lancaster received a telephone call from
Mrs. Amy Herdliska, in nearby Palmdale, who related:

"Over the mountains south of Palmdale I saw what looked like a
mama disc, with three to five little baby discs flying around

"The little ones would cavort around for a while, then they
would come back and seem to fly into mama disc's pouch.

"Anyway, the mama disc absorbed the baby ones."


Compare this with Gill's explanation above for using

"Well, it seemed as though it was a 'mother' with her

Human beings commonly employ metaphors to describe the
unfamiliar in terms of the familiar. And that's what seems to
have happened here in both instances.

For certain the woman in 1947 could not have been influenced by
Adamski contactee or any other flying saucer literature from the
1950s. Of course, pelicanists often believe in time travel
theories, how events from the future explain events from the
past. A famous example was the Air Force claiming that crash
dummies and flight accidents from the 1950s and 1960s explain
witness reports of alien bodies during the Roswell incident in

David Rudiak

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