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Re: Defending The Indefensible - Dickenson

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:24:42 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 07:59:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Defending The Indefensible - Dickenson

>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:17:24 +0100
>Subject: Re: Defending The Indefensible


>It would be, wouldn't it! I can hardly wait either, you make the
>future sound so very exciting. And it will be exciting, whether
>it resembles your a priori expectations or not. In fact I dare
>predict that it will be the more exciting in proportion as it
>tends away from the old unhelpful quantum mysticism and towards
>some shape that our present-day minds - whether focused or
>"blown" - can't presently visualise.


Have to apologize for not having followed this thread for a
while - but see some words above that chime with present

At least half a dozen big-thinkers are speaking out in favour of
a 'paradigm shift' being necessary if we are to surmount the
apparent block on progress described by Smolin recently, himself
being joined by Penrose, Barrow and others, because the
situation is, as Nick Herbert described it - "The Great Quantum
Dilemma... the hidden skeleton in the physicist's closet."

Personally don't think of 'quantum' as mystical at all, provided
your mind can stretch to a universe-wide field, conferring
'inertia' and enabling communication (of a kind) between every
particle of matter in the universe - instantaneously.

Quoting Roger Penrose - "Can such a hidden-variable theory be
consistent with all the observational facts of quantum physics?
The answer seems to be yes, but only if the theory is, in an
essential way, non-local, in the sense that the hidden
parameters must be able to affect parts of the system in
arbitrarily distant regions instantaneously! That would not have
pleased Einstein." ('The Emperor's New Mind' 1989)

And already Barbara Shipman, a mathematician at the University
of Rochester, is writing of a discovery - flag manifold 'quantum
field signaling being used by bees, which have brains that are
way too small to do the calculations that they evidently _do_

Only just found out the A.A.A.S. began as a geological society
riven by arguments, and revolutions of lonely dissidents. My own
little experience in that area was as an 11 yr old kid seeing
first wall-map of the Earth, and blurting out "They all fit
together!", unknowingly repeating Wegener's 'unacceptable'
thesis of 50 yrs earlier. For that I got severely shouted at by
a dogmatic geography teacher who was obviously clinging to an
earlier paradigm. In science paradigms are temporary models not
life-belts - we shouldn't have to cling to them (and we
shouldn't shout at kids for thinking for themselves).

So what do the observed facts tell us is within our theoretical
and technological horizons? Quite a bit. From all above we
should soon anticipate 'instantaneous communication' and, with
'inertial shielding' then f.t.l propulsion is easy - with no
mass effect consequences. Once you've conquered 'inertia' then
Relativity is dead. (No wonder Einstein wouldn't have been

That's all within our horizons - we now know the means, just got
to work out the ways. And on the edge? Matter transfer, as
discussed by Barrow, Smolin Penrose et al, is only going to be
'difficult' if you want to keep the matter alive. So don't
bother: transfer a complete powered-up, switched-on robot or
android and have it run by a VR operator - with no time-lag,
because you'll be able to use 'instant comms'.

Even over-the-edge stuff is already hinted at by the
observations - transfer of 'consciousness', maybe even into
energy entities.

Actually, it's all so clearly shown and so close to our reach
I'd be very surprised if others haven't been doing that stuff
for centuries, or millennia. Certainly many reports hint
something like that's been happening somewhere near you for
quite a while.


Ray D

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