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Re: The Roswell Incident - The True Story -

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:16:04 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:45:20 -0400
Subject: Re: The Roswell Incident - The True Story -


>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:11:15 -0400
>Subject: Re: The Roswell Incident - The True Story

>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:46:29 +0200
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Subject: Re: The Roswell Incident - The True Story

<snip>

>>In addition to that, Sheridan Cavitt, who had spent a day with
>>Marcel at the debris field, denied, in his interview by Col.
>>Weaver, having found such a Mogul balloon train.

>>Another point: the launching of the Mogul 4 balloon train, the
>>only one supposed to have radar targets, had been cancelled, as
>>stated by Crary in his diary.

>>Forget about the Mogul balloon train!

>Could you reference the Cavitt discussion with Weaver for me? I
>recall that Cavitt simply refused to discuss the case at all
>with Weaver, as he still felt that it was highly classified and
>Weaver didn't have the clearance to hear the details. Cavitt has
>refused all contact on this through the years and I don't recall
>the Air Force getting much information from him for their final
>Roswell reports.

Steve,

The interview of Col. Weaver with retired Lt. Col. Sheridan
Cavitt runs thirty pages in the Roswell Report, published by the
Pentagon in October 1995. I have it. If you don't, you may
probably consult it at the Pentagon Library.

A few quotes from it:

Cavitt says: "...we went out there and we found it. It was a
small amount of, as I recall, bamboo sticks, reflective sort of
material that would, well at first glance, you would probably
think it was aluminium foil..."

Weaver (RW) asks: "What do you think it was when you recovered
it?"

Cavitt (SC): "I thought a weather balloon"

And also:

"When I saw it, it was too flimsy to be anything to carry people
or anything of that sort. It never crossed my mind that it could
be anything but a radio sonde"

Later Weaver asks him more precise questions on Mogul balloon
debris, and he repeatedly denies having seen anything like that.

RW: "One of the things they mentioned, going back to the balloon
for a minute, was what Marcel called "hieroglyphics". It was
something that was written or printed on some of the debris. Do
you recall any of that?"

Cavitt: "No".

Again, Weaver questions him about seeing "scotch tape with little
purple flowers stamped on it".

Cavitt: "I don't remember anything like that".

On the other hand, he remembers Karl Pflock:

"He's our chief debunker. I lean toward him."

Please consider that Cavitt spent a whole day on the Foster ranch
with Major Marcel. If they had really found a Mogul balloon
train, this was the time to say it at last!!

To me his message was: Sorry, I am not not going to support
another, bigger, lie. I stick to the first one".

Please note also that no instrument of a Mogul balloon train was
found at all on the Foster ranch.

>I think you are willing to accept the annectodal statements of
>witnesses more willingly than some, which will always be a point
>of contention (and not necessarily between your position and
>mine).

>You reference the balsa sticks, and the testimony seems to
>indicate that they were not actually simple balsa, but had been
>coated with glue to make them more rigid. A comparison between
>raw balsa and the Mogul balloon balsa would that they weren't
>the same, which is why I responded originally as I did.

I went as far as testing that - a glued balsa wood sticks breaks
almost as easily. Try that for yourself, after letting it dry
during the night, to make it harder.

It is exposed in detail in the Galganski study.

>As far as the validity of the Mogul explanation is concerned,
>I personally believe that there are too many problems with it to
>be accurate. Some of the reasons are neatly outlined by
>Galganski's Summer, 1998 IUR article:

>http://www.cufos.org/ros4.html

>and your question regarding the July 4th date is a major issue
>of contention that exists within those that support the theory
>as well. Charles Moore contends that the flight did occur on
>July 4th, but he didn't log it.

>Hmmmmmmmmm.

Steven, first, you are in error of one full month. The flight in
question is the Mogul 4 balloon train which was to be launched
during the night of June 4 around 3 am. Albert Crary, the
geophysicist in charge of the launching, wrote in his diary
(reproduced in the Roswell Report), that he cancelled two
consecutive night launchings because of cloudy skies:

"Jun 3 Tues. Up at 0230 am ready to fly balloon but abandonned
due to cloudy skies.

"Jun 4 Wed. Out to Tularosa Range and fired charges between 00
and 06 this am. No balloon flights again on account of clouds.
Flew regular sono buoy up in cluster of balloons and had good
luck on receiver on ground but poor on plane."

The very first Mogul balloon launching at White Sands, the
flight No 5, was made in the following night:

"June 5 Thurs. Up at 4 to shoot 2 charges for balloon flight.
Whole assembly of constant-altitude balloons set up at 0500.
Fired charges at 0537 and 0552..."

Please note the difference here with the description of a
"regular sonobuoy and cluster of balloons", launched the day
before.

A much smaller assemblage than the full Mogul train.

And again, no sonobuoy was found, anyway, on the Foster ranch.

Now, Prof Charles Moore says in his book UFO Crash At Roswell,
(1997) that he does not remember the launching of the Mogul 4
balloon train, but it must have taken place anyway, since that's
what was found onn the Foster ranch!

To put it more bluntly, Moore has falsified the NYU Report in
his book, adding in the complete table of Mogul flights Mogul 4
which was not there, for the good reason that it was not
launched.

I can send you privately a more detailed demonstration if you
like, but it is written in French. You can also read it on the
web at this link:

http://www.ovni.ch/home/frame4.htm

As a last remark, even a full fledged Mogul balloon train would
not have been impressive at all, weighing just a little more
than 20 Kgs. with weather balloons of 350 gr and radar targets
of 150 gr.


Gildas Bourdais






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