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Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Tarbell

From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:31:44 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:23:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Tarbell


>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:50:14 -0700
>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

<snip>

>Yet another possibility I've considered was her strange
>description of large numbers of pieces of debris which were
>foil-like on one side and rubber like on the other and could not
>be torn. This does _not_ match any early Mogul balloon material.
>The closest I can find to debris like this was one experimental
>balloon explored by Mogul made of nylon or silk that was coated
>with rubber on one side and painted with metallic paint on the
>other. (Photos on p. 449 and 973 of AF Roswell report) These
>were nonextensible balloons made by Seyfang Labs of New Jersey
>(who also apparently invented the first Macy's Thanksgiving Day
>Parade balloons, for you trivia fans).

>For the moment let us neglect how a silk or nylon balloon could
>explode into numerous pieces, as described by Bessie B. (They
>used helium, not hydrogen, so there is no way these balloons
>could explode.) I can find mention of only four such flights in
>the Mogul records published in the AF report, and only two of
>these in any detail, Flight 79 on May 13, 1948 and Flight 94 on
>Sept. 3, 1948, thus well after Roswell. Flight 79 went up in
>Alamogordo and came down in Alamogordo and Flight 94 came down
>in Mexico. So this scenario depends on one of the non-detailed
>other flights coming down at the Foster Ranch to be seen by
>Bessie B. at some date well beyond the actual Roswell events and
>this balloon also somehow shattering, but God knows how. To
>further extend the scenario, maybe the military descended on the
>ranch while the family was there, because they wanted to recover
>this flight for study, and because the Brazels were again
>involved. This would be the multiple military people Bessie says
>she remembers at the ranch. At best, this whole scenario is
>another huge stretch.

<snip>

Hi David,

Thanks (to you and others) for what has been a very informative
thread.

Your overall case against the Seyfang Labs-type balloons is
compelling. However, there may be a plausible mechanism for
shattering the skin material.

As you say, these balloons were filled with the inert gas
helium. Even if filled with hydrogen, the combustion reaction
with oxygen would not have been particularly fast because the
reactants would be poorly mixed.

When material that is very pliable under quasi-static conditions
is found to be shattered into small pieces, it is a good bet
that extremely high loading rates were involved.

I would speculate that a lightning strike could provide the
required loading rate. Presuming the metallic paint you mention
is at least mildly conductive, resistive heating would
explosively vaporize the paint and induce enormous acceleration
in the adjacent rubberized material. Under such conditions it
could well display brittle failure.

One might suppose that the resulting debris would be free of
paint, but perhaps not if the actual path of current was non-
uniform and localized along channels of higher relative
conductivity.


Regards,

Mike




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