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Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Rudiak

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:06:42 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:41:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Rudiak


>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:24:35 +0200
>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:50:14 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions


><snip>

>>In the end, all the skeptics have is Bessie B. describing
>>"flower tape", a description she could easily have picked up
>>from elsewhere - the newspaper, her father, etc. Nothing else
>>she describes really matches up with a plausible Mogul or
>>anything else.

>David,

>In my little scenario, I suppose that Brazel did find a balloon
>and radar target on June 14, as he said to the press in the
>evening of July 8. And he described the famous "flower tape".

>Bessie remembered picking up such debris with her father, so my
>question is: could she have been there on June 14?

The Daily Record account says he was riding the range with his
young son Vernon when he discovered the material, so if we play
along with this scenario, presumably Bessie also would have been
there at the ranch and Brazel's wife. (In my July 4 scenario,
the reason Brazel's family was at the ranch was because he had
picked them up in Tulerosa to take them to the big rodeo in
Capitan, starting July 4. After the rodeo, he would have taken
them to the ranch for the weekend, since it wasn't that much
further from Capitan.)

But the odd thing is, the story then reports, "At the time
Brazel was in a hurry to get his round made and he did not pay
much attention to it. But he did remark about what he had seen
and on July 4 he, his wife, Vernon and a daughter, Betty [sic],
age 14, went back to the spot and gathered up quite a bit of the
debris."

http://roswellproof.com/Brazel_Interview.html

In the real world, Brazel would have quickly picked up the
balloon debris since it would have been potentially hazardous to
his sheep. In fact, when Marcel told the story over in Fort
Worth, Brazel _did_ immediately pick up the debris and roll it
under some brush:

http://roswellproof.com/FortWorthST_July9.html

"Brazell, whose ranch is 30 miles from the nearest telephone and
has no radio, knew nothing about flying discs when he found the
remains of the weather device scattered over a square mile of
his property three weeks ago.

"He bundled together the large pile of tinfoil and broken wooden
beams about one-fourth of an inch thick and half-inch wide and
the torn mass of synthetic rubber that had been the balloon and
rolled it under some brush, according to Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of
Houma, La., 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Officer at Roswell,
who brought the device to FWAAF.

"On a trip to town Saturday night to Corona, N.M., Brazell heard
the first reference to the "silver flying disks," Major Marcel
related at General Ramey's headquarters here.

"'Brazell then hurried home, and bright and early Sunday, dug up
the remnants of the kite balloon,'" Marcel continued, "'and on
Monday headed for Roswell to report his find to the sheriff.'"

So there is a major conflict in the official story right there.
Brazel, the rancher, says he didn't care initially about
hazardous debris; Marcel has him immediatley clearning it up.

Also notice none of Bessie Brazel's burlap sacks full of debris,
which she also claimed they took back to the ranch house. Marcel
indicates Brazel left his bundles out there in the field.

(And also notice how Marcel has the debris "scattered over a
square mile," indicating way back in 1947 that this was a huge
debris field, impossible to explain with the balloon story Ramey
was having him pitch. I'm wondering if Marcel deliberately
slipped that description into his story as a subtle signal that
the balloon story was not right.)

On the other hand, Brazel's story of collecting the debris with
his family on July 4 agrees with Bessie's account, but again,
this is something she could have picked up just by reading the
Daily Record story.

>Again, as said in the NYU reports, the Mogul team had launched
>such small clusters of balloons and radar targets (with flower
>tape) about every day in June. But all this had nothing to do
>with the discovey of the debris field in July. And no Mogul
>balloon train was ever launched with those radar targets.

There is no record of a Mogul in _June_ 1947 using radar
targets, but Flight 8 on July 3 was said to be tracked by radar,
and therefore presumably carried the targets.

The other nearby source of radar targets would have been the
White Sands weather station at Orogrande, 35 miles south of
Alamogordo. They sent them up before every V-2 rocket launch.

In fact, when the little demonstration of a Mogul launch at
Alamogordo was held for the press on July 9 (one of a number of
such saucer debunkery demonstrations held by the military),
there is a question of where they got the equipment, since the
Mogul team had gone back East 2 days before. Charles Moore, for
what his memory is worth, thought they left no equipment behind.
If that was the case, then the balloons and radar target shown
may have come from Orogrande. The weatherman at Orogrande
(Smith) also assisted in the Mogul launches.

>The first successful Mogul flight, number 5, had no radar
>targets at all. In addition to that, Bessie may also have
>remembered finding another type of balloon, later in 1948, and
>mixed up everything.

I agree. Maybe she mixed it up with some other balloon, Mogul or
otherwise, that came down later on the ranch, and then further
mixed that in with the Roswell story, which she may have heard
being talked about by the family or maybe read in the newspaper.
I don't think, however, that she is deliberately confabulating
her story.

That's why I was engaged in far out speculation about the
experimental Mogul balloon fabric made of silk or nylon and
coated with rubber on one side and metallic paint on the other.
Mogul tried out a few of these (four are mentioned) well after
the Roswell events. Two are accounted for and didn't come down
anywhere near the Foster ranch. Two others have no details. If
one of these came down at the Foster ranch, then _maybe_ it
would account for the strange pieces of rubber/foil material
Bessie was describing (though I'll be damned if I can think of
how silk or nylon would fragment into a lot of little pieces).

The whole Brazel connection, father and daughter, to the alleged
Mogul crash hinges on the "flower tape" description, yet nobody
can find a trace of such "flower tape" in the half dozen Fort
Worth photos of allegedly the same radar target described by the
Brazels. The late Roswell debunker Karl Pflock tried to claim
the tape was the white strips on the foil pieces in the photos,
not knowing this was nothing more than the white paper foil
backing folded over at the edges to form sheaths for the kite
sticks, a standard target construction detail.


David Rudiak




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