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Re: Expert Opinions

From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:20:04 -0700
Archived: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:52:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Expert Opinions

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:05:02 -0500
>Subject: Re: Expert Opinions

>>From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Re: Expert Opinions

>>In the meantime you've shown no answers. You've brought none of
>>us any closer to a better grasp of what offers, from almost any
>>angle, to have an incredible explanation. But where the debunker
>>thinking loses itself in denial, someday, just as happened with
>>Galileo, Copernicus and Newton, the truth will come closer to
>>us. I'm virtually certain when it does, it will not come of the
>>tepid water blessing that bucket of oats in which you've
>>stationed your feet.

>Thank you for validating my point: that in common with
>pseudoscientific polemic everywhere, Gehrmanism cannot help
>clothing itself in Galileo, Copernicus, and Newton. How about
>Darwin and Einstein? Or will they have to wait till next time?

>What we see here in the Gehrmanist approach is simply the waving
>of hands and the ex cathedra pronouncement that all reasoned and
>inconvenient facts and opinion are nonexistent.


Here's what I said in a nutshell:

The cover-up by the secret government was to hide the shocking
reality that an ancient hominid civilization was behind the UFO
visiting us and not ET.

The theme of the thread was cover-up and I felt an ancient
civilization fit the known facts much better than ETH. So that
is one part of this discussion. Does the government know that
the UFO are not ETH and is it actively pushing an ET red herring
with misinformation via MJ-12 documents and other "stargate"
type disclosures?

The second part of the discussion is whether another earth
civilization could be possible without our knowing it. My ideas
have always been presented in the form of speculation, theory
and hypothesis.

I used convergent evolution as the basis for claiming that it
was possible, scientifically and evolutionarily for another
species to have utilized tools and then begin tool making. I
theorized that a civilization could follow after only a few
million years, if humans were any example of what was possible,
since they're the only concrete example we have.

This civilization could have developed all the technology that
we have and more or they could have used different processes and
developed a different but just as effective technology. A
civilization like this could be over one hundred million years
old. During the last hundred million years the earth has
undergone tremendous change and any civilization would have been
destroyed many times over if some protective measures weren't
taken. A prior civilization could have moved off planet and onto
Mars or Moon or underground or to motherships and there would
not be a trace of their previous habitation on earth.

In any case, they were only anomalies until recently when we had
the capacity to understand their unusualness and how frequently
we were being visited and contacted.

The frequency of UFO visits increased after nuclear testing
began. My hypothetical civilization may not understand nuclear
technology and the crashes at Roswell and Socorro (AA) may have
been the result of nuclear fallout interfering with the
electromagnetic vortex these crafts use for propulsion.

I realize that this isn't an accepted theory but it's never had
the benefit of discussion since you've pretty much prevented
that from happening.

Another serious problem for my hypothesis is that it admittedly
is connected to the Alien Autopsy footage.

But your attacks have been overkill and the Gehrmanism tag might
come back to bite you in the ass if I'm eventually proven to be
correct. Never thought of myself in terms of Galileo,
Copernicus, and Newton until you brought it to my attention.

I realize that you mean it as an insult, but what if I am
correct? Your only criticism is that no one of authority has
given the ancient hominid theory any thought, but as far as I
know, this theory has never been discussed using convergent
evolution as its basic assumption. I can't prove that my ancient
hominid civilization exists; if I could, it would no longer be a


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