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Re: Why The Cover-Up?

From: Josh Goldstein <lovolution.nul>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:27:53 +0200
Archived: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:38:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:40:02 -0500
>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>From: Josh Goldstein <lovolution.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:19:06 +0200
>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:03:09 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?


>>They had never seen evidence from all the engineers who examined
>>the damage created to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
>>after the catastrophe of 09/11/2001. They were convinced that
>>everyone except the author of the DVD were told what to say from
>>the US government. Just by looking at the DVD the young
>>musicians were convinced that they were being shown proof of an
>>evil conspiracy. I tried to get them to take a look at both
>>sides but they claimed they saw the proof in that DVD. To me
>>those "young Einsteins" had minds as hard as rock but minds that
>could easily be molded like soft clay.

>>I am saying the above regarding Ed Gehrman's speculation. It is
>>fine to speculate but trying to claim the answer without having
>>any idea of what the speculation is really about means that the
>>claimant has turned into a fool. I am speaking in general, not
>>picking out Ed Gehrman. The speculation discussion I found to be
>>mildly humorous and interesting. Often the speculation will tell
>>the person who is listening to it more about about the
>>claimant's psychology than any evidence to support the claim.

>Well stated. I am consistently amazed, not to mention always
>depressed, at how mind-bogglingly uncritical people can be in
>(what passes for) their thinking, how utterly clueless to what
>constitutes actual evidence for a fantastic speculative

>With the demise later this month of the Weekly World News, I
>have been thinking of this generally, and I remember a telling
>little experience - surely relevant to the concerns that have
>brought you and me here in the present instance - that I
>underwent about 15 years ago.

>Standing in line at the local supermarket, I noticed WWN
>displayed on the nearby rack, with a headline that read WORLD
>WAR II BOMBER FOUND ON THE MOON. As usual on seeing a WWN
>header, I chuckled, bought my groceries, and forgot about it.

>A day or two later, my phone rang. The caller, an active
>ufologist and casual acquaintance who lives across the state
>from me, had a question. Did CUFOS and I plan to investigate the
>recently published report that the remains of a World War II-era
>airplane had been located on the lunar surface?

>I thought he was joking, and I responded accordingly, only to
>learn quickly enough that he was - as I ought to have known -
>deadly serious. When I tried to explain that WWN's editors
>concocted outlandish stories in the editorial office, he
>protested, "But the article quotes scientists! By name!" He
>didn't appear impressed when I remarked that the scientists were
>almost certainly fictional, too.

>From his manner I inferred that he suspected I'd joined CSICOP,
>the CIA, or some other sinister organization, possibly one that
>in another century tormented Galileo. For him it was easier to
>believe, I realized, that a 1940s aircraft lies gathering
>moondust than that somebody would lie about it.

>They're everywhere, Josh.

Aloha Jerry,

Thanks for your comments. As you know, we have done a good bit
of talking on that subject, Yes, they are everywhere. That is
perennial in this field as it is in others.

Your comment on the Weekly World News reminds me of a strange
case of someone else believing he was seeing the truth. Back in
the '80s when I was involved in MUFON LA, a man started showing
up at every meeting brandishing the WWN. I don't want to make
fun of this man as he suffers from a mental impairment.

At the start of every meeting he would stand up at the beginning
with a shout claiming that the sensational fabrication he had
read about was true. "Look here, the aliens are doing this...
Why isn't MUFON investigating them? Here it is, right in the WWN
that tells us what the evil aliens are doing."

It was kind of pathetic to watch him being gently reminded that
the WWN is not a credible news source. He never understood that
and for many, many years still believes the WWN is an organ of
truth and He proclaims that at just about every meeting. I think
it also sounds like a story Pravda, the "Voice of Truth" from
Russia would fabricate. I guess the believers in the WWN will
have to switch to the National Enquirer or lesser tabloids to
use as conspiracy toilet paper.

A WWII bomber on the moon. Right, and Don Ledger and I flew it
through the vacuum of space and we managed to make a good
instrument landing at my favorite site on the moon. We could not
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