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From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:25:59 -0700 Archived: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:01:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Crop Circles To Be Debated >From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul> >To: <ufoupdates.nul> >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:58:42 -0400 >Subject: Re: Crop Circles To Be Debated >>From: Joachim Koch <lists.nul> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul> >>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:35:04 +0200 >>Subject: Re: Crop Circles To Be Debated >>There is no unexplained activity in Wiltshire. There are well >>trained teams performing fine land art. The teams are known and >>their type of design as well. So this summer saw deliberate crop >>cirlces but many of the designs have - at least in parts - >>already been displayed in past years. So it was not very >>exciting this year. >It seems pretty well accepted now that some formations are made >by people with planks and others by unknown agencies. However, >the approximate proportion of each is not at all clear because >no one is doing (publishing?) enough of this kind of systematic >investigation. I gather there are scientific methods available >to determine which formations are due to plank stompers and >which are due to something else like, for example, microwave >irradiation. >If a summary of physical evidence exists, please point us to it. >This would have been more useful than the opinion, "There is no >unexplained activity in Wiltshire". >William Treurniet A key argument for the inability of any hoaxing team to have produced any of the really complex, awe-inspiring CC formations of the past 15 years is the failure of any one of them ever to come forward and claim credit for it, and offer to show the media some afternoon just how they did it, and come through on such an offer by showing how they did it without making any mistakes. They know they would not be able to do this, so they do not offer to do it. Negative skeptics have to claim that the hoaxers of the really grand designs are so very modest that they never wish to reveal who they are. I don't buy any such claim as being realistic or psychologically reasonable. A related argument is that no fields are found or reported in which a hoaxing team repeatedly practiced making one of the grand CC formations before the final one of the same appearance arrived. Of course, the lack of any reports of the hoaxers being at work at night, when grand CC patterns are laid down, adds to the above arguments. If reasonable statistical odds are applied to these, I think you'd find it's out of the question that hoaxing teams could have been doing it all along and "getting away" with it. Jim Deardorff Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast See: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/
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