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Re: Crop Circles To Be Debated

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:25:59 -0700
Archived: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:01:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Crop Circles To Be Debated

>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:58:42 -0400
>Subject: Re: Crop Circles To Be Debated

>>From: Joachim Koch <lists.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:35:04 +0200
>>Subject: Re: Crop Circles To Be Debated

>>There is no unexplained activity in Wiltshire. There are well
>>trained teams performing fine land art. The teams are known and
>>their type of design as well. So this summer saw deliberate crop
>>cirlces but many of the designs have - at least in parts -
>>already been displayed in past years. So it was not very
>>exciting this year.

>It seems pretty well accepted now that some formations are made
>by people with planks and others by unknown agencies. However,
>the approximate proportion of each is not at all clear because
>no one is doing (publishing?) enough of this kind of systematic
>investigation. I gather there are scientific methods available
>to determine which formations are due to plank stompers and
>which are due to something else like, for example, microwave

>If a summary of physical evidence exists, please point us to it.
>This would have been more useful than the opinion, "There is no
>unexplained activity in Wiltshire".

>William Treurniet

A key argument for the inability of any hoaxing team to have
produced any of the really complex, awe-inspiring CC formations
of the past 15 years is the failure of any one of them ever to
come forward and claim credit for it, and offer to show the
media some afternoon just how they did it, and come through on
such an offer by showing how they did it without making any
mistakes. They know they would not be able to do this, so they
do not offer to do it. Negative skeptics have to claim that the
hoaxers of the really grand designs are so very modest that they
never wish to reveal who they are. I don't buy any such claim as
being realistic or psychologically reasonable.

A related argument is that no fields are found or reported in
which a hoaxing team repeatedly practiced making one of the
grand CC formations before the final one of the same appearance

Of course, the lack of any reports of the hoaxers being at work
at night, when grand CC patterns are laid down, adds to the
above arguments.

If reasonable statistical odds are applied to these, I think
you'd find it's out of the question that hoaxing teams could
have been doing it all along and "getting away" with it.

Jim Deardorff

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