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Re: The van Gogh Fallacy

From: Cathy Reason <CathyM.nul>
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:36:04 +0100
Archived: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:08:47 -0400
Subject: Re: The van Gogh Fallacy

>From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:00:54 +0100
>Subject: Re: The van Gogh Fallacy

>>From: Cathy Reason <CathyM.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:59:06 +0100
>>Subject: Re: The van Gogh Fallacy

>It has everything to do with tradition.

No, it has everything to do with using words to mean what they
in fact mean. Empiricism asserts the primacy of experience,
rationalism asserts the primacy of intellect. Those positions
are just inconsistent.


>>This is the method of textual analysis and literary criticism,
>>not science.

>I'm not quite sure what you mean here.

Literary criticism starts with the text as axiomatic and
proceeds to derive inferences from it. This is exactly the
reverse of how science operates. In science, one starts with
hypotheses and then proceeds to test them against evidence.

>Are you suggesting that
>science has a different and privileged logical foundation? What
>would be the distinction between such an assertion and


>>Even in mathematics this sort of formalism has been
>>discredited for over a century.

>I know where you are coming from with this

I kinda doubt it ;-)

>G=F6del's work depended on both [axioms and rules] in order to
>demonstrate their limitations.

What Godel showed is that formal systems cannot be used as the
basis for theories of knowledge. Mathematics can't be reduced to
mechanical proving of theorems from sets of axioms, and science
certainly cannot.


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